Climate Literacy: The Missing Link in the Built Environmentโ€™s Sustainability Efforts

Episode 73 | 25.2.2025

Climate Literacy: The Missing Link in the Built Environmentโ€™s Sustainability Efforts

On a recent episode of The Responsible Edge, Mina Hasman, Sustainability Director at Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM), shared her insights on why climate literacy is the most overlooked but crucial element in the built environmentโ€™s sustainability transition.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

Bridging the Knowledge Gap in Architecture and Design

With a career spanning architecture, environmental engineering, and policy advocacy, Mina has worked at the forefront of embedding science-based sustainability frameworks into the industry. However, despite the growing push for net zero and ESG commitments, she warns that many professionals still lack the foundational knowledge needed to implement real change.

โ€œMany people still donโ€™t know what net zero carbon truly meansโ€”what it entails, how to measure it, and how to verify claims. Thatโ€™s where problems arise.โ€

In this conversation, Mina highlights the urgent need for climate literacy, the role of governance in preventing greenwashing, and the steps the industry must take to move beyond fragmented sustainability initiatives.

ย 

Why Climate Literacy is Critical

Sustainability is now a non-negotiable in the built environment, yet many of the professionals responsible for delivering net zero strategies are not equipped with the scientific, technical, or regulatory understanding required to do so effectively.

Mina explains that this knowledge gap leads to:

  • Misaligned sustainability claims that fail to translate into measurable impact
  • Buildings that underperform despite being marketed as โ€˜net zeroโ€™
  • Greenwashingโ€”sometimes unintentionalโ€”due to misunderstandings of carbon accounting

โ€œItโ€™s not that people are deliberately misleading othersโ€”many simply donโ€™t know the full technical implications of what theyโ€™re committing to.โ€

This is why climate literacy must be treated as a core competency, not just for sustainability consultants, but for architects, engineers, developers, policymakers, and financial decision-makers.

ย 

A Science-Based Approach: The Net Zero Carbon Building Standard

One of the most promising developments in tackling these issues is the Net Zero Carbon Building Standard (NZCBS), a UK-based initiative aiming to set science-backed energy and carbon targets for real estate projects.

Mina has played an integral role in shaping the framework, which aims to define what โ€œnet zeroโ€ truly means for the built environment, ensuring companies can no longer make vague or misleading claims without accountability.

โ€œIf we cannot join forces, we will never be able to truly understand where we standโ€”and if we donโ€™t know where we stand, we cannot map the route to net zero.โ€

The NZCBS pilot phase is currently underway, allowing businesses to test its methodologies and refine the approach before its full-scale launch later this year. Mina encourages industry professionals to actively engage with the standard now, rather than waiting for it to become a regulatory requirement.

ย 

Beyond Silos: Why Collaboration is Key

One of the biggest roadblocks to effective climate action in the built environment is fragmentation. Too often, different stakeholdersโ€”architects, engineers, developers, investors, and regulatorsโ€”approach sustainability from disconnected perspectives.

โ€œWe need to eliminate this sense of ownershipโ€”where organisations want to โ€˜leadโ€™ rather than work together. Progress is not about individual recognition; itโ€™s about collective impact.โ€

The industry needs greater alignment, where sustainability is integrated from the earliest stages of project planning, rather than being added on as a compliance exercise. This shift requires leadership at all levelsโ€”from company boards to project managersโ€”ensuring that sustainability is not just a marketing statement but a structural priority.

ย 

Governance: The Guardrail Against Greenwashing

The risk of greenwashing is one of the biggest challenges in sustainability today. While some organizations intentionally overstate their progress, many others simply fail to measure their impact accurately, leading to claims that donโ€™t hold up under scrutiny.

For Mina, strong governance is the most important factor in ensuring sustainability commitments are real, measurable, and aligned with long-term business objectives.

โ€œIf you don’t have governance in place, you will struggle to ensure accountability. The board and leadership teams must understand that net zero is not just a goalโ€”itโ€™s an ongoing responsibility.โ€

This means:

โœ” Embedding sustainability education into leadership training programs
โœ” Ensuring sustainability claims are independently verified
โœ” Making science-based decision-making the norm, not the exception

ย 

A Call to Action: Climate Literacy as a Non-Negotiable

When asked what single change could accelerate progress in the built environment, Minaโ€™s answer was clear:

โ€œClimate literacy. If we could all have the same foundational knowledge of sustainabilityโ€”its challenges, solutions, and interdependenciesโ€”we could make better decisions, avoid unintended consequences, and scale impact faster.โ€

Rather than relying on short-term initiatives, the industry must invest in long-term education, knowledge-sharing, and governance structures that ensure sustainability is understood, applied, and enforced at every stage of development.

The future of sustainable construction will not be shaped by ambition aloneโ€”it will be shaped by those who have the knowledge and leadership to turn ambition into action.

ย 

For a Truly Sustainable Future


๐Ÿ‘‰ Become a signatory of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, publish your Green Claims Policy, and be recognised for your commitment to responsible sustainability communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Recognition.

Subscribe Now.

Subscribe below to receive a monthly email featuring all new episodes of The Responsible Edge Podcast and updates from The Anti-Greenwash Charter.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

Building Green from the Ground Up: Closing the Skills Gap

Episode 49 | 08.11.2024

Building Green from the Ground Up: Closing the Skills Gap

In this episode, Amanda Williams, Head of Environmental Sustainability at The Chartered Institute of Building (CIOB), explores the urgent need to bridge the green skills gap within the construction industry. Amanda discusses how achieving net-zero targets requires sustainability competencies not only in specialised roles but across every area of the sector.

โ€‹

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

In the quest to achieve net-zero targets, the construction industry faces a unique challengeโ€”the urgent need to bridge the green skills gap. Amanda Williams, the Head of Environmental Sustainability at the Chartered Institute of Building (CIOB), sheds light on this critical issue. Her insights underscore the importance of embedding sustainability competencies into every role within the sector, not just specialised green jobs. Drawing on her extensive experience, Amanda shares how the construction industry can cultivate a workforce capable of building a greener future.

From her early years growing up on a family farm to her career spanning academia, corporate roles, and policy work, Amandaโ€™s journey reflects a lifelong commitment to environmental stewardship. Her role at CIOB allows her to drive change on an industry-wide level, providing her with what she calls โ€œan enormous potential impactโ€ through CIOBโ€™s network of 50,000 professionals globally. She is passionate about ensuring that the construction sector remains resilient, sustainable, and inclusive, urging everyone within the industry to engage in sustainability efforts.

ย 

The Green Skills Gap: More Than Just Green Jobs

For Amanda, the green skills gap extends far beyond the creation of specialised roles such as retrofit coordinators or biodiversity specialists. She argues that true sustainability in construction will only be achieved when green skills are embedded across all roles in the industry.

โ€œSustainability needs to be in everyoneโ€™s job description, not just reserved for specialists,โ€

Amanda emphasises .

The challenge, as Amanda explains, is twofold. First, the industry faces a shortage of workers with the necessary technical skills to perform green jobs. Second, there is a need for individuals in traditional rolesโ€”plumbers, electricians, builders, and project managersโ€”to develop competencies in sustainable practices. โ€œWe also need people in existing trades to have those green skills as well,โ€ Amanda notes, explaining that these workers will need new skills and knowledge to adapt to sustainable materials, modern construction methods, and energy-efficient retrofitting .

ย 

Breaking Down the Barriers to Sustainability Skills

Amanda identifies several barriers that have contributed to the green skills gap, particularly within construction. These include insufficient investment in green skills training, a lack of awareness and interest in green jobs, and misconceptions about the industry. Additionally, Amanda points to a cultural challenge: many workers feel that green skills are not relevant to their current roles. Changing this mindset, she believes, is essential.

โ€œUnderinvestment in green skills has held the industry back,โ€ Amanda asserts. Many educational institutions and training programmes have been slow to prioritise sustainability education, and industry recruiters often overlook green skills in their hiring criteria. As Amanda puts it,

โ€œwe canโ€™t rely on sustainability practitioners to solve this for us operating in silos; it has to be embedded in everything we do, in all our processes, and in everybodyโ€™s rolesโ€ .

ย 

Flexible and Accessible Training for a Diverse Workforce

Amanda advocates for a collaborative approach to closing the green skills gap, calling on the government, educational institutions, and industry stakeholders to support flexible training solutions. One proposal she highlights is a government-funded โ€œGreen Skills Fundโ€ that would make training more accessible and affordable. Such a fund, Amanda explains, could cover apprenticeships, upskilling for existing workers, and new green certifications.

Amanda envisions a training ecosystem that accommodates different learning styles and schedules, with options ranging from virtual classes and on-the-job training to flexible, hands-on learning experiences. โ€œWe need to think aboutโ€ฆscaling up capacity, but also making training accessible to people in existing trades, not just new entrants,โ€ Amanda explains, underscoring the importance of reaching those already in full-time roles who may want to add green skills to their repertoire .

She also believes that industry leaders should partner with professional institutions, such as CIOB, to integrate green competencies into ongoing professional development. As Amanda notes, membership in a professional institution like the Institute of Environmental Management and Assessment has been instrumental in her own career progression, offering both technical training and the opportunity to build transferable skills like critical thinking and leadership.

ย 

Empowering the Workforce to Tackle Real-World Sustainability Challenges

Amandaโ€™s role at CIOB allows her to influence sustainability across the construction industry in a way she has not experienced in previous roles. Unlike her former positions, where she focused on reducing the environmental impact of a single organisation, her current role emphasises industry-wide change. She collaborates with CIOBโ€™s various directorates, including membership, communications, and policy teams, to support professionals in integrating sustainability into their work.

Through CIOBโ€™s Continuing Professional Development (CPD) offerings, Amanda and her team provide industry members with resources and training to help them navigate the green transition. โ€œOur members are working in all corners of the built environment,โ€ she explains, noting that the organisationโ€™s broad reach enables it to drive change on a large scale. โ€œThe potential impact is huge,โ€ Amanda says, expressing her commitment to ensuring that sustainability becomes a central consideration in every aspect of the industryย  .

ย 

The Social Responsibility of the Construction Industry

A recurring theme in Amandaโ€™s insights is the idea of social responsibility within the construction industry. For Amanda, bridging the green skills gap offers an opportunity not only to meet net-zero targets but also to foster a โ€œjust transitionโ€ for workers transitioning from high-carbon industries, such as oil and gas. โ€œThe construction industry could be a receiver industry for those workers, which would help close the skills gap and secure a just transition,โ€ she remarks .

Amanda also highlights the need to address the gender gap and broader diversity issues within the sustainability and construction sectors. She points out that the industry has traditionally struggled with an โ€œimage problem,โ€ which has deterred many young people, particularly women, from considering careers in construction.

โ€œThere is a shortage of women interested in green-skilled jobs within the built environment,โ€

she notes, adding that a key solution lies in rebranding green skills as universal skills relevant to all roles and industries.

ย 

From Technical Skills to Systems Thinking: A Holistic Approach to Sustainability

Beyond technical training, Amanda stresses the importance of what she calls โ€œsystems thinkingโ€ in sustainability. She believes that addressing the green skills gap will require construction professionals to develop a holistic understanding of how their roles fit into the broader environmental picture. This type of thinking, she explains, will help the industry avoid unintended consequences, such as those that arise when a poorly planned retrofit inadvertently causes moisture damage to older buildings.

Amanda believes that systems thinking should be central to any green skills training, enabling professionals to look beyond the immediate tasks at hand and consider the long-term impacts of their work. โ€œSustainability issues are complex and cut across disciplines,โ€ she remarks, โ€œand systems thinking helps us look at the big pictureโ€ .

ย 

A Call to Action: Closing the Green Skills Gap

For Amanda, closing the green skills gap is not just about upskilling individuals; itโ€™s about transforming the construction sector into a sustainable and resilient industry. She believes that industry leaders, educational institutions, and government entities must work together to build a pipeline of green talent. โ€œWe need to acknowledge just how critical it is that we address it,โ€ she says, highlighting the urgency of training skilled professionals to retrofit existing buildings and meet climate goals.

The construction industry, responsible for nearly 40% of global emissions, plays a pivotal role in the green transition. As Amanda points out, 80% of the buildings used today will still be in use by 2050, making retrofitting essential to achieving net-zero targets.

โ€œFailure to deliver a large-scale programme of retrofit for existing buildings is going to put net-zero targets at risk,โ€

she warns, underscoring the high stakes involved .

Amandaโ€™s message is clear: sustainability in construction is not optional. The industry must act swiftly to develop green skills across the board, empowering every worker to contribute to a sustainable future. โ€œItโ€™s not just a huge challenge; itโ€™s also an opportunity,โ€ she concludes, calling on everyone within the construction industry to embrace sustainability as a collective responsibility.

ย 

Final Reflections: A Vision for the Future

Reflecting on her career, Amanda expresses both hope and urgency for the future of sustainability in construction. Her vision is one where green skills are woven into the fabric of the industry, allowing construction professionals to make a positive impact on the environment. โ€œI hope that by the end of my career, Iโ€™ll see a genuine shiftโ€”a built environment that values sustainability as core to every role,โ€ she shares, adding that every small step contributes to a larger movement towards a greener future .

Amandaโ€™s insights serve as a rallying call for the construction industry to build a resilient, sustainable, and inclusive workforce equipped to tackle the complex challenges of the 21st century. Through her work at CIOB, she is paving the way for a future where green skills are no longer a speciality, but a standard across the industry.

ย 

For a Truly Sustainable Future


๐Ÿ‘‰ Become a signatory of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, publish your Green Claims Policy, and be recognised for your commitment to responsible sustainability communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Recognition.

Subscribe Now.

Subscribe below to receive a monthly email featuring all new episodes of The Responsible Edge Podcast and updates from The Anti-Greenwash Charter.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

A Sustainable Foundation: How One Property Firm Leads by Example

Episode 48 | 05.11.2024

A Sustainable Foundation: How One Property Firm Leads by Example

In this episode, Tom Roundell Greene, Partner and Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas, shares insights on embedding sustainability into core business strategies within the property sector. Drawing from his experience at JLL and Carter Jonas, Tom discusses the shift from compliance-driven approaches to meaningful, value-focused sustainability efforts.

โ€‹

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

In a world where environmental responsibility is increasingly scrutinised, sustainability is no longer an optional add-on for businesses but an integral part of corporate strategy. Tom Roundell Greene, Partner and Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas, embodies this shift. With a career shaped by experiences in both the UK government and global real estate firm JLL, Tom brings a unique perspective to the sustainability conversation. In a recent discussion, Tom shared how heโ€™s working to make sustainability a core business principle at Carter Jonas and offered insights into how companies can embrace long-term environmental strategies while delivering value.

Tomโ€™s journey into sustainability began with a desire to โ€œbe part of shaping a better world.โ€ Studying philosophy at university, he was deeply affected by world events such as 9/11, which shifted his view on global issues and inspired him to pursue a role in public service. He began his career in the UK Cabinet Office, eventually focusing on sustainable development, a field he describes as โ€œthe practical application of philosophy.โ€ However, he soon became frustrated with the โ€œshort-term thinkingโ€ that can be a hallmark of political cycles. After more than a decade in government, he transitioned to the private sector, joining JLL, where he discovered new opportunities to effect change.

ย 

A Fresh Approach at Carter Jonas

Since joining Carter Jonas, a multidisciplinary property firm operating across the UK, Tom has continued to push the boundaries of what sustainability can mean in the business context. For Tom, sustainability is not merely a regulatory requirement but โ€œabout better ways of doing things,โ€ a principle that is reflected in his work to embed long-term, client-focused strategies into the heart of Carter Jonas.

At Carter Jonas, Tom is leading the firmโ€™s sustainability initiatives within a flexible business structure as an LLP (Limited Liability Partnership). Unlike publicly listed companies, LLPs are less constrained by the immediate demands of shareholders, allowing Carter Jonas to set ambitious, long-term goals that resonate with its core values. โ€œOur aim is to be ambitious for ourselves and our stakeholders,โ€ Tom explained, โ€œwithout trying to boil the ocean in terms of compliance with standards and frameworks.โ€ This focus allows Carter Jonas to develop a sustainability strategy tailored to the unique needs of its diverse clients, which span from country estates to commercial infrastructure projects.

ย 

Balancing Compliance and Strategic Goals

A central challenge in Tomโ€™s role is navigating the tension between compliance-focused sustainability efforts and proactive, innovation-led approaches. While data collection and ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) reporting are essential for transparency, he stresses that businesses should not see these as the final goal. โ€œIf you treat sustainability as only a compliance issue, you miss its true value,โ€ Tom noted. He believes compliance should be seen as the โ€œminimum mandatoryโ€ rather than the ultimate aim. For Tom, sustainability should align with an organisationโ€™s long-term goals, influencing decision-making at every level of the business.

In todayโ€™s business environment, sustainability reporting frameworks can be challenging, especially as they continue to evolve. Referring to his experience at JLL, Tom recalled, โ€œThe ESG reporting ecosystemโ€ฆ sets a very clear set of expectations for what good looks like.โ€ However, he argues that while these standards are essential, they can sometimes overshadow other aspects of sustainability.

โ€œYou can spend huge amounts of time trying to finesse your data collection systems and reportingโ€ฆ to the detriment of actually just getting on and doing stuff.โ€

ย 

Collaboration and Partnerships: The Key to Success

One of Tomโ€™s core philosophies is the importance of collaboration, both within the company and with external partners. At Carter Jonas, this has led to initiatives like a recent research collaboration with University College London, which explored the โ€˜green premiumโ€™ for commercial buildings. Tom believes that partnerships with academic institutions provide valuable analytical perspectives that can drive forward-thinking strategies. โ€œComing together with academic institutionsโ€ฆ brings fresh perspectives and analytical rigour,โ€ he explained.

For Tom, collaboration also extends to Carter Jonasโ€™ clients and peers within the property industry. The firm is actively engaged in industry-wide efforts to set standards, such as the recently launched Net Zero Carbon Building Standard. By participating in these collaborative efforts, Carter Jonas can align its own operations with best practices while supporting broader industry goals. โ€œConsistency and standards are crucial,โ€ he remarked, highlighting the importance of shared expectations in driving change across the sector.

ย 

The Data Dilemma: A Necessary Foundation for Progress

Data is an essential component of sustainability reporting, but it can also be a double-edged sword. For Tom, the challenge lies in gathering the right data without becoming overwhelmed by the process. โ€œData collection is fundamental, but itโ€™s easy to get completely hung up on it,โ€ he observed. In his view, data should serve as a foundation for action rather than as an end in itself. At Carter Jonas, the focus is on collecting meaningful data that reflects the companyโ€™s most significant sustainability impacts.

A recent initiative involved calculating Carter Jonasโ€™ scope 3 emissionsโ€”those associated with the goods and services it purchases. This complex undertaking was a significant step toward understanding the companyโ€™s broader environmental footprint. โ€œWeโ€™ve now calculated the footprint associated with the goods and services that weโ€™re buyingโ€ฆ but thatโ€™s only day one,โ€ Tom explained.

โ€œYouโ€™ve got the informationโ€”now, how do you make sense of it and operationalise it to create positive change?โ€

Tom is also pragmatic about the challenges of influencing change within a large organisation. He recognises that resistance to change is natural and emphasises the importance of building relationships and communicating effectively. โ€œPeople donโ€™t like change; they donโ€™t like to have to adapt necessarily,โ€ he acknowledged. His approach is to present sustainability as a benefit, not just for the company but also for individual employees. By showing how sustainability initiatives align with both client demands and broader industry trends, he hopes to engage colleagues in the long-term vision.

ย 

Building a Sustainable Future in Real Estate

Tomโ€™s role as Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas highlights the unique challenges and opportunities that arise when working to embed sustainability within the real estate sector. The property industry has a profound impact on the environment, and clients are increasingly concerned about energy efficiency, emissions, and sustainable development. Tom is optimistic about the sectorโ€™s potential to make a positive impact, citing increased regulatory pressures and client demand as drivers of change. โ€œOur clients are proactively coming and speaking to colleagues about [sustainability],โ€ he noted, adding that Carter Jonasโ€™ work often involves helping clients navigate these new demands.

An example of Tomโ€™s innovative approach to sustainability is the firmโ€™s commitment to aligning certain financial mechanisms with environmental targets. At JLL, he pioneered an initiative that linked elements of the companyโ€™s net-zero goals to borrowing rates. This approach directly connected sustainability performance with financial incentives, providing a tangible example of how sustainability can create value. Reflecting on this experience, he said,

โ€œIt has a direct financial bearing on the operation of the business, putting the right incentives in place to drive change.โ€

At Carter Jonas, Tom is working to replicate similar approaches that tie sustainability directly into the companyโ€™s operational framework. He believes that, over time, such initiatives can help transform not only Carter Jonas but also the industry as a whole. โ€œWeโ€™re changing paradigms,โ€ he remarked, underscoring his belief in the power of incremental change.

ย 

A Vision for the Future

Looking to the future, Tom hopes that his work will contribute to a broader shift in how businesses approach sustainability. He envisions a time when sustainability is fully integrated into the fabric of corporate strategy, where it is seen not as an obligation but as a fundamental value. His approach, rooted in long-term thinking and collaboration, offers a roadmap for other organisations seeking to follow a similar path.

When asked about the legacy he hopes to leave, Tomโ€™s response is characteristically humble. โ€œIโ€™m not trying to suggest Iโ€™m changing the world,โ€ he said, โ€œbut I like to think that all of these thingsโ€ฆ are contributing to creating this change.โ€ His words capture the essence of his work: small, meaningful steps toward a sustainable future that, when taken together, form a powerful collective movement.

ย 

Conclusion

Tom Roundell Greeneโ€™s work at Carter Jonas offers a compelling example of how sustainability can be woven into the core of business strategy. From data collection and compliance to strategic partnerships and long-term goal-setting, his approach demonstrates the potential for sustainability to create value not only for the company but also for its clients and stakeholders. As he puts it, โ€œMaking progress with sustainability is not about having all the answers but about aligning decisions with our core purpose and allowing space for experimentation.โ€

In an industry often characterised by short-termism and compliance-driven approaches, Tomโ€™s vision stands out. By embracing sustainability as a core value, Carter Jonas is setting a new standard in the property sectorโ€”a model of how companies can build a sustainable future by doing things better, together.

ย 

For a Truly Sustainable Future


๐Ÿ‘‰ Become a signatory of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, publish your Green Claims Policy, and be recognised for your commitment to responsible sustainability communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Recognition.

Subscribe Now.

Subscribe below to receive a monthly email featuring all new episodes of The Responsible Edge Podcast and updates from The Anti-Greenwash Charter.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

The Daunting Yet Fruitful Challenge of Supply Chain Transparency

Episode 11 | 21.03.2024

The Daunting Yet Fruitful Challenge of Supply Chain Transparency

This week we’re joined by Joanna Auburn, co-founder and CPO at Trace, who brings insight into enhancing sustainability within business operations. With a deep dive into supply chain transparency, Joanna shares her journey from engineer to spearheading product development aimed at reducing carbon footprints. Discover how Trace aids businesses in understanding and minimising their environmental impact, as Joanna highlights the significance of robust transparency and collective action in paving the way for a genuinely sustainable future.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

In today’s increasingly eco-conscious market, the demand for transparency in supply chains has escalated beyond a mere regulatory requirement. It has become a pivotal element in building trust with consumers, employees, and stakeholders. Joanna explains,

“Supply chain transparency is about building trust.”

This insight underlines the broader implications of transparency, not just in achieving compliance but in laying the foundation for brand credibility and loyalty.

Transparency is more than a buzzword; it represents a commitment to ethical practices and a sustainable future. It involves an open dialogue about the origins, manufacturing processes, and environmental impacts of products, offering consumers the information they need to make informed choices. For businesses, this transparency is not just about avoiding negative scrutiny but about actively contributing to a more sustainable and responsible industry.

ย 

The Power of Data

The role of digital platforms like Trace in simplifying the complexities of carbon footprint management is transformative. Joanna emphasises the platform’s utility with

“Trace makes it easier to measure emissions and understand them,”

pointing towards a technologically-driven future in environmental strategy. This forward-looking perspective suggests a significant shift towards informed, data-driven approaches in sustainability efforts, where digital analytics and tools play a central role in both formulating and communicating environmental strategies.

The integration of technology in sustainability efforts represents a critical evolution in how businesses approach environmental responsibility. It signifies a move from broad, often vague, commitments to specific, measurable actions that can be tracked, improved upon, and communicated transparently. This digital transformation not only enables businesses to better manage their environmental impact but also empowers consumers and stakeholders with the knowledge to hold them accountable.

ย 

Overcoming Challenges with Transparency

Achieving comprehensive supply chain transparency is fraught with hurdles, from logistical complexities to the need for industry-wide standards. Joanna’s own experiences highlight these challenges, “Ensuring sustainability…was daunting,” she shares, shedding light on the practical difficulties businesses face in this endeavor. This honest reflection underscores the need for accessible, user-friendly tools and resources that can assist businesses in navigating the path towards sustainability.

The journey towards full transparency is both a technical and cultural challenge. It requires not just the right tools but also a shift in mindset among businesses, suppliers, and consumers towards valuing and prioritising sustainability. Overcoming these challenges demands collaboration across industries and sectors, a commitment to continuous improvement, and a willingness to innovate.

ย 

Engaging Employees in the Sustainability Journey

Joanna’s insights on employee engagement in sustainability initiatives reveal a critical aspect of successful environmental strategies.

“Sustainability can’t just be dictated; it’s a collective effort,”

Joanna notes, advocating for a model of sustainability that is inclusive and participatory. This approach not only fosters a culture of sustainability within organisations but also leverages the collective creativity and commitment of the workforce towards making tangible impacts.

Employee engagement in sustainability goes beyond mere participation in initiatives. It involves educating and empowering employees to contribute their ideas, challenge existing practices, and advocate for sustainable solutions. This level of involvement can transform sustainability from a corporate objective into a shared mission, driving more significant and meaningful change.

ย 

A Sustainable Future

The article concludes on a note of optimism, inspired by Joanna’s vision for the future of business sustainability. It envisions a world where supply chain transparency is not an exception but a norm, where platforms like Trace are indispensable in guiding businesses towards sustainability, and where companies view environmental responsibility as an integral part of their operations and ethical framework.

This future is not just a hopeful aspiration but a realistic objective, achievable through the collective efforts of businesses, consumers, and policymakers. It requires a commitment to transparency, innovation, and collaboration, with a focus on long-term sustainability over short-term gains.

Joanna’s conversation offers a blend of inspiration, actionable insights, and forward-looking optimism for businesses striving to align with the evolving standards of sustainability. Her narrative serves as a compelling guide, emphasising that transparency, employee engagement, and strategic use of technology are key to navigating the path towards a transparent and sustainable future.

ย 

For a Truly Sustainable Future


๐Ÿ‘‰ Become a signatory of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, publish your Green Claims Policy, and be recognised for your commitment to responsible sustainability communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Recognition.

Subscribe Now.

Subscribe below to receive a monthly email featuring all new episodes of The Responsible Edge Podcast and updates from The Anti-Greenwash Charter.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

Building Trust Through Evidence and Verification in Sustainable Manufacturing

Episode 10 | 14.03.2024

Building Trust Through Evidence and Verification in Sustainable Manufacturing

This week, we’re joined by Simon Corbey, Director at Theย Alliance for Sustainable Building Products (ASBP). With over two decades in the sector, Simon explores the essential role of evidence and verification in crafting sustainable building materials. Simon’s insights reveal the challenges and triumphs in the journey towards a low-carbon built environment. Dive into this enriching discussion with Simon, as he highlights the path to a sustainable future.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

In the world of product manufacturing, especially within the built environment sector, the standards for sustainability credentials are ever-evolving. Simon Corbey, Director at The Alliance for Sustainable Building Products, shares his insights into the challenges and strategies for navigating these changing standards. This article draws from Simon’s expertise to explore the significance of evidence and verification in manufacturing and provides actionable advice for manufacturers seeking to align with the shifting goalposts of sustainability.

ย 

The importance of Truthful Marketing

One of Simon’s key insights was the importance of transparency in marketing. He highlights the potential pitfalls of overstating a product’s environmental credentials, cautioning,

“There is a real danger of overstating…because you want your product to be the best in class.”

Simon underscores the necessity of balancing enthusiasm for one’s products with the responsibility to provide truthful and verifiable information. This perspective serves as valuable guidance for manufacturers, stressing the importance of backing sustainability claims with solid evidence to ensure that marketing messages are not only engaging but also genuinely credible.

ย 

The Role of Environmental Product Declarations (EPDs)

Simon champions Environmental Product Declarations (EPDs) as a cornerstone for validating sustainability claims. EPDs provide a comprehensive overview of a product’s environmental impact, from its carbon footprint to its lifecycle assessment.

“They are complex documents…and cover a whole range of different environmental indicators,”

Simon explains, highlighting their role in offering transparent and credible evidence for sustainability claims. For manufacturers, investing in EPDs is depicted not just as a regulatory compliance measure but as a strategic advantage in a market increasingly driven by eco-conscious consumers and stakeholders.

ย 

Learning from Tragedy: The Grenfell Tower Inquiry

Reflecting on the Grenfell Tower tragedy, Simon underscores the dire consequences of inadequate product testing and verification. The disaster serves as a stark reminder of the paramount importance of rigorous testing and the ethical obligation of manufacturers to ensure product safety. Simon discusses the broader impact of Grenfell on industry standards and the urgent need for transparency and third-party verification to rebuild public trust.

“You can’t argue with evidence,”

Simon asserts, urging manufacturers to adopt more stringent testing protocols and share test data transparently to mitigate risks and prevent future tragedies.

ย 

Actionable Insights for Manufacturers

Drawing from the podcast conversation, several actionable insights emerge for manufacturers aiming to navigate the shifting standards of sustainability credentials:

  1. Invest in Verifiable Evidence: Beyond mere compliance, obtaining EPDs and third-party certifications is a strategic investment. It substantiates your sustainability claims with verifiable evidence, distinguishing your products in a competitive market.
  2. Embrace Transparency: Adopt an open-book approach to your product testing and sustainability data. Sharing information not only fosters trust among consumers and stakeholders but also contributes to the collective industry effort to raise standards and accountability.
  3. Collaborate for Progress: Engage in industry-wide initiatives and collaborations focused on sustainability. Collective efforts, such as sharing large-scale fire test data, can lead to significant advancements in safety standards and eco-friendly manufacturing practices.
  4. Stay Ahead of Regulatory Changes: Keep abreast of emerging sustainability standards and regulatory requirements, both domestically and internationally. Proactive compliance positions your brand as a leader in sustainability and can open up new market opportunities.
  5. Educate Your Team: Ensure that your marketing and product development teams are well-versed in interpreting and communicating the data from EPDs and other sustainability certifications. As Simon suggests, “You are gonna be a really useful communicator” if you understand the nuances of these documents.

ย 

Looking Ahead

The built environment sector stands at a critical juncture, with sustainability considerations becoming increasingly central to product manufacturing and marketing. Simon’s insights from the podcast provide a roadmap for manufacturers to navigate these challenges effectively. By prioritising truthful marketing, investing in credible evidence, and embracing collaborative efforts, manufacturers can not only meet the evolving standards of sustainability credentials but also lead the charge towards a more sustainable and resilient built environment.

Navigating the shifting goalposts of evidence and verification requires a multifaceted approach, underpinned by a commitment to transparency, collaboration, and continuous improvement. As the industry moves forward, these principles will be instrumental in shaping a sustainable future for product manufacturing in the built environment sector.

ย 

For a Truly Sustainable Future


๐Ÿ‘‰ Become a signatory of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, publish your Green Claims Policy, and be recognised for your commitment to responsible sustainability communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Recognition.

Subscribe Now.

Subscribe below to receive a monthly email featuring all new episodes of The Responsible Edge Podcast and updates from The Anti-Greenwash Charter.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

The Importance and Challenge of Making Sustainability Accessible to SMEs

Episode 6 | 16.02.2024

The Importance and Challenge of Making Sustainability Accessible to SMEs

In this episode, Callum Miller, CEO and co-founder of Ethy, explains the layers of making sustainability achievable for emerging businesses. He discusses Ethy’s digital platform, designed to streamline sustainable practices with a comprehensive standards framework, roadmapping tools, and goal-setting capabilities. Highlighting the critical steps from implementing sustainable actions to transparently communicating these efforts via Ethy’s innovative visual ecolabelling solution, Callum’s dialogue emphasises Ethy’s dedication to simplifying sustainability.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

Accessibility of Sustainability for SMEs

In today’s environment, the imperative for businesses to adopt sustainable practices is clear. However, for small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), the journey towards sustainability is fraught with challenges, particularly in verifying sustainable practices affordably and effectively. Callum Miller, co-founder of Ethy, shares insights on addressing these challenges, making a compelling case for Ethy’s innovative approach.

Simplifying Sustainability

Ethy emerges as a critical tool for SMEs, providing a streamlined approach to sustainability verification.

“We’re on a mission to simplify sustainability, really in two areas. Firstly, helping [SMEs] with their marketing…ensuring credibility when they talk about their sustainability efforts. And secondly, really helping them with taking action,”

Callum explains. This dual focus underscores Ethy’s comprehensive approach to making sustainability more accessible and actionable for SMEs.

The Importance of Inclusivity and Transparency

Central to Ethy’s ethos is inclusivity, acknowledging the diverse challenges SMEs face and offering tailored solutions that recognise each business’s unique circumstances.

“Most SMEs don’t have a sustainability team or manager in house… We want to provide that level of support, just to make sustainability a bit more accessible for them,”

Callum emphasises. This inclusivity is vital in a landscape where sustainability verification can seem out of reach for smaller entities.

Leveling the Playing Field

By democratising access to sustainability verification, Ethy not only supports SMEs but also contributes to a more equitable and transparent market. This endeavor is crucial for fostering a business environment where sustainability is a shared goal, not a privilege limited to large corporations with substantial resources.

Empowering Through Marketing Strategies

Ethy’s platform facilitates not just the verification process but also aids SMEs in effectively communicating their sustainability efforts to the public. This comprehensive support is crucial for building consumer trust and loyalty in an eco-conscious market.

The Balance Between Ethical Imperatives and Practical Accessibility

Callum’s insights highlight the balance between ethical imperatives and practical accessibility, illustrating Ethy’s commitment to providing solutions that are both ethically sound and feasible for businesses of all sizes.

“Sustainability is not binary…it’s something that we can, as long as we’re open and honest, begin to communicate,”

he shares, advocating for a transparent and step-by-step approach to sustainability.

Ethy’s Broader Impact

Ethy’s mission goes beyond offering tools and services; it’s about cultivating a culture of inclusivity, transparency, and accountability. Through its innovative platform, Ethy is taking significant strides towards a sustainable and equitable business landscape, showcasing the collective effort required to tackle environmental challenges.

Balancing Accessibility withย Rigour

Callum discusses the balance between making sustainability verification accessible and ensuring its rigour. He notes that certifications vary greatly: some are simple, while others are thorough but expensive. Callum suggests the need for compromise, especially for smaller businesses with limited budgets.

“Compromise sometimes has to take place,”

he says, emphasising a realistic approach where companies start with what’s achievable and plan to meet higher standards as they grow.

ย 

For a Truly Sustainable Future


๐Ÿ‘‰ Become a signatory of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, publish your Green Claims Policy, and be recognised for your commitment to responsible sustainability communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Recognition.

Subscribe Now.

Subscribe below to receive a monthly email featuring all new episodes of The Responsible Edge Podcast and updates from The Anti-Greenwash Charter.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast

ยฉ 2025. The Responsible Edge Podcast