From Crisis to Impact: Tanya Larsen’s Journey to Sustainable Entrepreneurship

Episode 53 | 10.12.2024

From Crisis to Impact: Tanya Larsen’s Journey to Sustainable Entrepreneurship

Tanya Larsen’s entrepreneurial journey is a testament to resilience and purpose. With roots in Ukraine’s coal-mining regions, Tanya witnessed firsthand the destructive impact of unchecked industrialisation on communities and the environment. Now a successful entrepreneur and advocate for sustainability, Tanya shared her insights on The Responsible Edge podcast. Her story offers a compelling blueprint for leveraging business acumen to address systemic environmental and social challenges.

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The Power of Early Impressions

Tanya’s passion for sustainability was ignited in her formative years. Growing up near coal mines in eastern Ukraine, she observed how industrial waste gradually encroached upon natural spaces. Tanya recounted:

“I saw how bad industrialisation was claiming the forest where we played as kids. It was very visual and stuck with me.” 

These experiences planted a seed that would later grow into a mission to challenge the status quo of unsustainable business practices.

 

Earning a Platform for Change

Despite her early awareness of environmental issues, Tanya prioritised building financial stability before diving into sustainability. She explained:

“To change things, you need resources. My focus was to earn enough to support my family and eventually give back.” 

This pragmatic approach drove her to excel in e-commerce and technology, culminating in the successful sale of her business after eight years of growth.

Tanya described her corporate journey as both a learning ground and a stepping stone:

“I didn’t have a plan B. My only option was to make it work. That determination shaped my career and prepared me to take bigger risks later.”

 

Redefining Success Through Sustainable Business

After exiting her business, Tanya turned her focus to projects that aligned with her values. One such initiative involved promoting sustainable brands through vouchers and discounts.

“It was about creating an incentive for consumers to choose brands that make a difference.”

However, this endeavour revealed a critical challenge: defining sustainability in a way that avoids greenwashing. “How do you classify a brand as sustainable when so many use misleading claims?” she questioned, highlighting the ongoing need for transparency and accountability in sustainability efforts.

 

Navigating Challenges as an Entrepreneur

Tanya emphasised the stark realities of entrepreneurship, particularly in its early stages.

“When I started, I had £20,000 in the bank and no access to loans due to the financial crisis. We had to focus on monetisation from day one.”

Tanya’s advice to aspiring entrepreneurs is grounded in practicality: “Don’t just chase investment. Figure out how to generate revenue, even in small amounts. It builds resilience and gives you stronger negotiating power.”

She also reflected on the personal sacrifices required to balance family responsibilities with business ambitions. “I had three children, including a baby, when I launched my business. It wasn’t easy, but I believed in what I was doing,” she said, underscoring the importance of determination and focus.

 

A Vision for Systemic Change

Tanya’s journey from an underprivileged background to sustainable entrepreneurship exemplifies how business can be a force for good. Her experiences illustrate that impactful change often begins with small, pragmatic steps.

“We need to create systems where doing the right thing isn’t just idealistic but practical and profitable.”

 

Conclusion: Lessons in Resilience and Responsibility

Tanya Larsen’s story is a powerful reminder that sustainable business practices require more than passion—they demand perseverance, pragmatism, and a willingness to confront systemic challenges. Her journey demonstrates that success and sustainability can coexist when guided by clear purpose and thoughtful strategy.

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How the Berlin Wall Shaped a New Approach to Sustainability

Episode 50 | 11.11.2024

How the Berlin Wall Shaped a New Approach to Sustainability

In this episode, Sarah Schaefer, Vice President of Sustainability at Electrolux, shares her insights on how businesses can make sustainable choices the default for consumers. Drawing on principles of behavioural economics and innovative strategies, Sarah discusses how to align quality and convenience with sustainability.

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In a rapidly evolving world, embedding sustainability into business practices has become more than a goal—it’s an imperative. In a recent episode of The Responsible Edge, Sarah Schaefer, Vice President of Sustainability at Electrolux, shared her journey and vision for creating a sustainable future. Rooted in her formative experiences growing up in West Berlin during the fall of the Berlin Wall, Sarah’s career has been shaped by a belief in the power of change and the importance of driving meaningful impact.

 

The Berlin Wall and the Belief in Change

Reflecting on her upbringing, Sarah recalled the profound impact of witnessing the Berlin Wall’s fall at the age of 18. “Nobody expected it to happen,” she shared. “But almost overnight, the world I knew completely changed. It was extraordinary, peaceful, and driven by people’s belief in a better future.” This experience instilled in her an intrinsic belief in the possibility of change, a theme that has permeated her career in government, journalism, and corporate sustainability.

“I always think, if the Berlin Wall can come down, anything can happen,”

Sarah said, emphasising how this belief has carried her through the challenges of driving organisational change.

 

From Politics to Corporate Sustainability

Sarah began her career in political journalism before transitioning into advisory roles in the UK government, including serving as a special adviser to David Miliband. This period offered her a front-row seat to the complexities of public policy and governance. “Working in government is an extraordinary privilege,” she reflected. “But it’s also relentless, with immense pressure and scrutiny.”

Seeking a new avenue for impact, Sarah moved into the corporate world, taking senior sustainability roles at organisations such as Mars and Unilever before joining Electrolux. While the transition from politics to business presented challenges, she found surprising parallels. “Whether you’re in government or business, large organisations face similar dynamics. Driving change requires a clear mission, effective communication, and the ability to influence without authority.”

 

Aligning Sustainability with Consumer Behaviour

At Electrolux, Sarah’s focus has been on integrating sustainability into the fabric of the consumer journey. One of her key insights is the importance of understanding consumer behaviour. “People don’t overanalyse their choices when it comes to appliances,” she explained.

“Most of the time, they’re operating on autopilot, using the appliance the way their parents did.”

Electrolux has conducted extensive research, surveying 14,000 consumers across Europe to understand these patterns. The findings underscored the need for thoughtful design and behavioural nudges. “For example, washing clothes at 30 degrees instead of 40 can reduce CO2 emissions and water usage by 30%,” Sarah said. “But many consumers simply default to what they’ve always done. The challenge is creating a conversation and providing tools that nudge them towards sustainable habits.”

 

Designing for Sustainability

To address this, Electrolux has prioritised human-centric design. Sarah shared examples such as appliances that use green icons to indicate energy-efficient settings or sliders that visually demonstrate the sustainability impact of different washing cycles. “These small design choices can make a big difference,” she said.

Sarah also emphasised the importance of collaboration in driving behavioural change. “We’ve partnered with chefs and fashion brands to elevate conversations around sustainability,” she said. “When it comes to issues like food waste or sustainable washing habits, these partnerships allow us to reach consumers in new and meaningful ways.”

 

The Role of Business in a Sustainable Future

Sarah believes businesses have a critical role to play in addressing global challenges, but this requires a shift in priorities. “Short-termism is one of the biggest barriers to sustainability,” she argued. “Without pricing in carbon and social externalities, it’s difficult for boards and shareholders to fully support long-term sustainable strategies.”

She highlighted the progress companies like Electrolux have made in embedding sustainability into their operations.

“Fifteen years ago, sustainability teams were often siloed, separate from the core business. Today, it’s about integration—making sustainability a key part of business processes and growth strategies.”

However, Sarah acknowledged the risks of limiting ambition in the pursuit of more achievable goals. “We need to strike a balance,” she said. “Setting realistic targets is important, but we must also push ourselves to drive meaningful change.”

 

Meeting Consumers Where They Are

One of Sarah’s guiding principles is meeting consumers where they are. “Not everyone is motivated by environmental concerns,” she noted. “But they care about saving money or improving convenience. Framing sustainability in those terms can be far more effective.”

She cited an example of a third-party tool used by Electrolux, which calculates the lifetime financial savings of energy-efficient appliances at the point of purchase. “It’s compelling because it speaks to what consumers care about most—their wallets. And in doing so, it also drives sustainable choices.”

 

A Call to Collaboration

As the conversation concluded, Sarah emphasised the need for collective action. “No single company or organisation can solve these challenges alone,” she said. “We need collaboration across sectors to create systemic change.”

Her vision for the future is one where sustainability becomes second nature—embedded in every product, process, and decision.

“It’s about making the right choice the easiest choice,”

she said. “When we achieve that, we’ll unlock the full potential of sustainable living.”

 

Closing Thoughts

Sarah Schaefer’s journey from the Berlin Wall to the boardroom exemplifies the transformative power of purpose-driven leadership. Her insights remind us that sustainability is not just a challenge but an opportunity to innovate, connect, and lead. With thoughtful design, collaboration, and a focus on consumer behaviour, businesses can drive meaningful change and shape a better future for all.

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Building Green from the Ground Up: Closing the Skills Gap

Episode 49 | 08.11.2024

Building Green from the Ground Up: Closing the Skills Gap

In this episode, Amanda Williams, Head of Environmental Sustainability at The Chartered Institute of Building (CIOB), explores the urgent need to bridge the green skills gap within the construction industry. Amanda discusses how achieving net-zero targets requires sustainability competencies not only in specialised roles but across every area of the sector.

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In the quest to achieve net-zero targets, the construction industry faces a unique challenge—the urgent need to bridge the green skills gap. Amanda Williams, the Head of Environmental Sustainability at the Chartered Institute of Building (CIOB), sheds light on this critical issue. Her insights underscore the importance of embedding sustainability competencies into every role within the sector, not just specialised green jobs. Drawing on her extensive experience, Amanda shares how the construction industry can cultivate a workforce capable of building a greener future.

From her early years growing up on a family farm to her career spanning academia, corporate roles, and policy work, Amanda’s journey reflects a lifelong commitment to environmental stewardship. Her role at CIOB allows her to drive change on an industry-wide level, providing her with what she calls “an enormous potential impact” through CIOB’s network of 50,000 professionals globally. She is passionate about ensuring that the construction sector remains resilient, sustainable, and inclusive, urging everyone within the industry to engage in sustainability efforts.

 

The Green Skills Gap: More Than Just Green Jobs

For Amanda, the green skills gap extends far beyond the creation of specialised roles such as retrofit coordinators or biodiversity specialists. She argues that true sustainability in construction will only be achieved when green skills are embedded across all roles in the industry.

“Sustainability needs to be in everyone’s job description, not just reserved for specialists,”

Amanda emphasises .

The challenge, as Amanda explains, is twofold. First, the industry faces a shortage of workers with the necessary technical skills to perform green jobs. Second, there is a need for individuals in traditional roles—plumbers, electricians, builders, and project managers—to develop competencies in sustainable practices. “We also need people in existing trades to have those green skills as well,” Amanda notes, explaining that these workers will need new skills and knowledge to adapt to sustainable materials, modern construction methods, and energy-efficient retrofitting .

 

Breaking Down the Barriers to Sustainability Skills

Amanda identifies several barriers that have contributed to the green skills gap, particularly within construction. These include insufficient investment in green skills training, a lack of awareness and interest in green jobs, and misconceptions about the industry. Additionally, Amanda points to a cultural challenge: many workers feel that green skills are not relevant to their current roles. Changing this mindset, she believes, is essential.

“Underinvestment in green skills has held the industry back,” Amanda asserts. Many educational institutions and training programmes have been slow to prioritise sustainability education, and industry recruiters often overlook green skills in their hiring criteria. As Amanda puts it,

“we can’t rely on sustainability practitioners to solve this for us operating in silos; it has to be embedded in everything we do, in all our processes, and in everybody’s roles” .

 

Flexible and Accessible Training for a Diverse Workforce

Amanda advocates for a collaborative approach to closing the green skills gap, calling on the government, educational institutions, and industry stakeholders to support flexible training solutions. One proposal she highlights is a government-funded “Green Skills Fund” that would make training more accessible and affordable. Such a fund, Amanda explains, could cover apprenticeships, upskilling for existing workers, and new green certifications.

Amanda envisions a training ecosystem that accommodates different learning styles and schedules, with options ranging from virtual classes and on-the-job training to flexible, hands-on learning experiences. “We need to think about…scaling up capacity, but also making training accessible to people in existing trades, not just new entrants,” Amanda explains, underscoring the importance of reaching those already in full-time roles who may want to add green skills to their repertoire .

She also believes that industry leaders should partner with professional institutions, such as CIOB, to integrate green competencies into ongoing professional development. As Amanda notes, membership in a professional institution like the Institute of Environmental Management and Assessment has been instrumental in her own career progression, offering both technical training and the opportunity to build transferable skills like critical thinking and leadership.

 

Empowering the Workforce to Tackle Real-World Sustainability Challenges

Amanda’s role at CIOB allows her to influence sustainability across the construction industry in a way she has not experienced in previous roles. Unlike her former positions, where she focused on reducing the environmental impact of a single organisation, her current role emphasises industry-wide change. She collaborates with CIOB’s various directorates, including membership, communications, and policy teams, to support professionals in integrating sustainability into their work.

Through CIOB’s Continuing Professional Development (CPD) offerings, Amanda and her team provide industry members with resources and training to help them navigate the green transition. “Our members are working in all corners of the built environment,” she explains, noting that the organisation’s broad reach enables it to drive change on a large scale. “The potential impact is huge,” Amanda says, expressing her commitment to ensuring that sustainability becomes a central consideration in every aspect of the industry  .

 

The Social Responsibility of the Construction Industry

A recurring theme in Amanda’s insights is the idea of social responsibility within the construction industry. For Amanda, bridging the green skills gap offers an opportunity not only to meet net-zero targets but also to foster a “just transition” for workers transitioning from high-carbon industries, such as oil and gas. “The construction industry could be a receiver industry for those workers, which would help close the skills gap and secure a just transition,” she remarks .

Amanda also highlights the need to address the gender gap and broader diversity issues within the sustainability and construction sectors. She points out that the industry has traditionally struggled with an “image problem,” which has deterred many young people, particularly women, from considering careers in construction.

“There is a shortage of women interested in green-skilled jobs within the built environment,”

she notes, adding that a key solution lies in rebranding green skills as universal skills relevant to all roles and industries.

 

From Technical Skills to Systems Thinking: A Holistic Approach to Sustainability

Beyond technical training, Amanda stresses the importance of what she calls “systems thinking” in sustainability. She believes that addressing the green skills gap will require construction professionals to develop a holistic understanding of how their roles fit into the broader environmental picture. This type of thinking, she explains, will help the industry avoid unintended consequences, such as those that arise when a poorly planned retrofit inadvertently causes moisture damage to older buildings.

Amanda believes that systems thinking should be central to any green skills training, enabling professionals to look beyond the immediate tasks at hand and consider the long-term impacts of their work. “Sustainability issues are complex and cut across disciplines,” she remarks, “and systems thinking helps us look at the big picture” .

 

A Call to Action: Closing the Green Skills Gap

For Amanda, closing the green skills gap is not just about upskilling individuals; it’s about transforming the construction sector into a sustainable and resilient industry. She believes that industry leaders, educational institutions, and government entities must work together to build a pipeline of green talent. “We need to acknowledge just how critical it is that we address it,” she says, highlighting the urgency of training skilled professionals to retrofit existing buildings and meet climate goals.

The construction industry, responsible for nearly 40% of global emissions, plays a pivotal role in the green transition. As Amanda points out, 80% of the buildings used today will still be in use by 2050, making retrofitting essential to achieving net-zero targets.

“Failure to deliver a large-scale programme of retrofit for existing buildings is going to put net-zero targets at risk,”

she warns, underscoring the high stakes involved .

Amanda’s message is clear: sustainability in construction is not optional. The industry must act swiftly to develop green skills across the board, empowering every worker to contribute to a sustainable future. “It’s not just a huge challenge; it’s also an opportunity,” she concludes, calling on everyone within the construction industry to embrace sustainability as a collective responsibility.

 

Final Reflections: A Vision for the Future

Reflecting on her career, Amanda expresses both hope and urgency for the future of sustainability in construction. Her vision is one where green skills are woven into the fabric of the industry, allowing construction professionals to make a positive impact on the environment. “I hope that by the end of my career, I’ll see a genuine shift—a built environment that values sustainability as core to every role,” she shares, adding that every small step contributes to a larger movement towards a greener future .

Amanda’s insights serve as a rallying call for the construction industry to build a resilient, sustainable, and inclusive workforce equipped to tackle the complex challenges of the 21st century. Through her work at CIOB, she is paving the way for a future where green skills are no longer a speciality, but a standard across the industry.

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A Sustainable Foundation: How One Property Firm Leads by Example

Episode 48 | 05.11.2024

A Sustainable Foundation: How One Property Firm Leads by Example

In this episode, Tom Roundell Greene, Partner and Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas, shares insights on embedding sustainability into core business strategies within the property sector. Drawing from his experience at JLL and Carter Jonas, Tom discusses the shift from compliance-driven approaches to meaningful, value-focused sustainability efforts.

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In a world where environmental responsibility is increasingly scrutinised, sustainability is no longer an optional add-on for businesses but an integral part of corporate strategy. Tom Roundell Greene, Partner and Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas, embodies this shift. With a career shaped by experiences in both the UK government and global real estate firm JLL, Tom brings a unique perspective to the sustainability conversation. In a recent discussion, Tom shared how he’s working to make sustainability a core business principle at Carter Jonas and offered insights into how companies can embrace long-term environmental strategies while delivering value.

Tom’s journey into sustainability began with a desire to “be part of shaping a better world.” Studying philosophy at university, he was deeply affected by world events such as 9/11, which shifted his view on global issues and inspired him to pursue a role in public service. He began his career in the UK Cabinet Office, eventually focusing on sustainable development, a field he describes as “the practical application of philosophy.” However, he soon became frustrated with the “short-term thinking” that can be a hallmark of political cycles. After more than a decade in government, he transitioned to the private sector, joining JLL, where he discovered new opportunities to effect change.

 

A Fresh Approach at Carter Jonas

Since joining Carter Jonas, a multidisciplinary property firm operating across the UK, Tom has continued to push the boundaries of what sustainability can mean in the business context. For Tom, sustainability is not merely a regulatory requirement but “about better ways of doing things,” a principle that is reflected in his work to embed long-term, client-focused strategies into the heart of Carter Jonas.

At Carter Jonas, Tom is leading the firm’s sustainability initiatives within a flexible business structure as an LLP (Limited Liability Partnership). Unlike publicly listed companies, LLPs are less constrained by the immediate demands of shareholders, allowing Carter Jonas to set ambitious, long-term goals that resonate with its core values. “Our aim is to be ambitious for ourselves and our stakeholders,” Tom explained, “without trying to boil the ocean in terms of compliance with standards and frameworks.” This focus allows Carter Jonas to develop a sustainability strategy tailored to the unique needs of its diverse clients, which span from country estates to commercial infrastructure projects.

 

Balancing Compliance and Strategic Goals

A central challenge in Tom’s role is navigating the tension between compliance-focused sustainability efforts and proactive, innovation-led approaches. While data collection and ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) reporting are essential for transparency, he stresses that businesses should not see these as the final goal. “If you treat sustainability as only a compliance issue, you miss its true value,” Tom noted. He believes compliance should be seen as the “minimum mandatory” rather than the ultimate aim. For Tom, sustainability should align with an organisation’s long-term goals, influencing decision-making at every level of the business.

In today’s business environment, sustainability reporting frameworks can be challenging, especially as they continue to evolve. Referring to his experience at JLL, Tom recalled, “The ESG reporting ecosystem… sets a very clear set of expectations for what good looks like.” However, he argues that while these standards are essential, they can sometimes overshadow other aspects of sustainability.

“You can spend huge amounts of time trying to finesse your data collection systems and reporting… to the detriment of actually just getting on and doing stuff.”

 

Collaboration and Partnerships: The Key to Success

One of Tom’s core philosophies is the importance of collaboration, both within the company and with external partners. At Carter Jonas, this has led to initiatives like a recent research collaboration with University College London, which explored the ‘green premium’ for commercial buildings. Tom believes that partnerships with academic institutions provide valuable analytical perspectives that can drive forward-thinking strategies. “Coming together with academic institutions… brings fresh perspectives and analytical rigour,” he explained.

For Tom, collaboration also extends to Carter Jonas’ clients and peers within the property industry. The firm is actively engaged in industry-wide efforts to set standards, such as the recently launched Net Zero Carbon Building Standard. By participating in these collaborative efforts, Carter Jonas can align its own operations with best practices while supporting broader industry goals. “Consistency and standards are crucial,” he remarked, highlighting the importance of shared expectations in driving change across the sector.

 

The Data Dilemma: A Necessary Foundation for Progress

Data is an essential component of sustainability reporting, but it can also be a double-edged sword. For Tom, the challenge lies in gathering the right data without becoming overwhelmed by the process. “Data collection is fundamental, but it’s easy to get completely hung up on it,” he observed. In his view, data should serve as a foundation for action rather than as an end in itself. At Carter Jonas, the focus is on collecting meaningful data that reflects the company’s most significant sustainability impacts.

A recent initiative involved calculating Carter Jonas’ scope 3 emissions—those associated with the goods and services it purchases. This complex undertaking was a significant step toward understanding the company’s broader environmental footprint. “We’ve now calculated the footprint associated with the goods and services that we’re buying… but that’s only day one,” Tom explained.

“You’ve got the information—now, how do you make sense of it and operationalise it to create positive change?”

Tom is also pragmatic about the challenges of influencing change within a large organisation. He recognises that resistance to change is natural and emphasises the importance of building relationships and communicating effectively. “People don’t like change; they don’t like to have to adapt necessarily,” he acknowledged. His approach is to present sustainability as a benefit, not just for the company but also for individual employees. By showing how sustainability initiatives align with both client demands and broader industry trends, he hopes to engage colleagues in the long-term vision.

 

Building a Sustainable Future in Real Estate

Tom’s role as Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas highlights the unique challenges and opportunities that arise when working to embed sustainability within the real estate sector. The property industry has a profound impact on the environment, and clients are increasingly concerned about energy efficiency, emissions, and sustainable development. Tom is optimistic about the sector’s potential to make a positive impact, citing increased regulatory pressures and client demand as drivers of change. “Our clients are proactively coming and speaking to colleagues about [sustainability],” he noted, adding that Carter Jonas’ work often involves helping clients navigate these new demands.

An example of Tom’s innovative approach to sustainability is the firm’s commitment to aligning certain financial mechanisms with environmental targets. At JLL, he pioneered an initiative that linked elements of the company’s net-zero goals to borrowing rates. This approach directly connected sustainability performance with financial incentives, providing a tangible example of how sustainability can create value. Reflecting on this experience, he said,

“It has a direct financial bearing on the operation of the business, putting the right incentives in place to drive change.”

At Carter Jonas, Tom is working to replicate similar approaches that tie sustainability directly into the company’s operational framework. He believes that, over time, such initiatives can help transform not only Carter Jonas but also the industry as a whole. “We’re changing paradigms,” he remarked, underscoring his belief in the power of incremental change.

 

A Vision for the Future

Looking to the future, Tom hopes that his work will contribute to a broader shift in how businesses approach sustainability. He envisions a time when sustainability is fully integrated into the fabric of corporate strategy, where it is seen not as an obligation but as a fundamental value. His approach, rooted in long-term thinking and collaboration, offers a roadmap for other organisations seeking to follow a similar path.

When asked about the legacy he hopes to leave, Tom’s response is characteristically humble. “I’m not trying to suggest I’m changing the world,” he said, “but I like to think that all of these things… are contributing to creating this change.” His words capture the essence of his work: small, meaningful steps toward a sustainable future that, when taken together, form a powerful collective movement.

 

Conclusion

Tom Roundell Greene’s work at Carter Jonas offers a compelling example of how sustainability can be woven into the core of business strategy. From data collection and compliance to strategic partnerships and long-term goal-setting, his approach demonstrates the potential for sustainability to create value not only for the company but also for its clients and stakeholders. As he puts it, “Making progress with sustainability is not about having all the answers but about aligning decisions with our core purpose and allowing space for experimentation.”

In an industry often characterised by short-termism and compliance-driven approaches, Tom’s vision stands out. By embracing sustainability as a core value, Carter Jonas is setting a new standard in the property sector—a model of how companies can build a sustainable future by doing things better, together.

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Rewiring Business: The Power of Thinking Differently for Real Impact

Episode 47 | 30.10.2024

Rewiring Business: The Power of Thinking Differently for Real Impact

In this episode, sustainability strategist and systems thinker Louisa Harris shares her insights on how purpose-driven business are reimagining narratives to transform strategy, drive innovation and deliver impact. Drawing from her experience as a tutor for the Cambridge Institute of Sustainable Leadership and Head of Sustainability and Systems Change at Brandpie, Louisa discusses the importance of courageous leadership, thinking differently, and making sustainability part of everyone’s role.

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In a decade where business has a critical role to play in accelerating sustainable action, they are also being called upon to demonstrate real impact. The challenge for many lies in moving beyond well-meaning messaging, or worse, purpose washing; to becoming an engine for change. Harris has been at the forefront of this shift, advising companies on how to integrate purpose authentically at every level of their operations.

In a recent conversation, Louisa shared her journey from climate activism to corporate advocacy. She explores how leading businesses think of purpose as more than a marketing narrative, embracing it as a holistic guiding principle that drives strategy, employee action and innovation, and ultimately sustainable impact. Ultimately, she has found that her role in making change happen is anchored in the power of thinking differently. “It’s taken a while for me appreciate that one of the greatest skills I have is being a weird, hybrid thinker who can design pragmatic pathways for change,” Louisa explains, “and that this can be the spark for shifting perspectives and being a catalyst for other people’s innovations.” It’s this philosophy of empowering others that underscores her approach, combining systems thinking and leadership to foster meaningful change across organisations.

 

From Climate Activism to Corporate Responsibility

Louisa’s journey into sustainability did not follow the typical path. Born and raised in London, she developed a connection to nature and sustainability in a roundabout way. Reflecting on her early years, Louisa shares, “I think to me, that proximity to nature, the anchoring and being somewhere a little bit quiet, is a huge part of who I am today,” though her connection to environmental issues truly deepened during university, influenced by climate activists and her participation in environmental protests. This background laid the groundwork for her understanding of the complexities and compromises involved in corporate responsibility.

Louisa’s transition into the business world came after a period of introspection and exploration. After working in an accounting firm, she was tasked with creating a sustainability service line—a radical move at a time when corporate sustainability was barely in its infancy. Recalling this experience, she explains, “It was a time when clients weren’t necessarily coming to us for this work. We had to help them see the potential of sustainability beyond compliance.” This early work shaped her understanding of how sustainability can be woven into the fabric of an organisation, rather than seen as an add-on or an obligation.

 

Embracing Purpose as a Core Business Strategy

Louisa advocates for a purpose-driven business model, where sustainability and responsibility are integrated into the core strategy rather than siloed or relegated to a single department. According to her,

“Purpose has to go beyond brand strategy… It should serve as a North Star, guiding a company’s actions, advocacy, and a catalyst for culture, innovation and systems change.”

In her view, purpose should not be a retrofitted element of an organisation’s identity but rather an evolving framework that drives meaningful decisions at every level.

Her experience with Brandpie and other consultancies has underscored the importance of embedding purpose authentically into the company culture. She explains that successful purpose-driven organisations approach purpose as a continuous journey, rather than a checkbox to be ticked. “When we see every employee as a designer of sustainable practices,” Louisa asserts, “we unlock collective potential.” In this way, Louisa emphasises the importance of cultivating an environment where every employee feel they have a role to play in driving sustainability, regardless of their official job title.

 

The “Purpose Dividend” and a New Way Forward

One of the key insights Louisa shared was the importance of business asking themselves “who is it that their purpose should serve?” and thinking more systemically about how they can use their platform for good. She references a UK study, The Purpose Dividend, which gives a powerful business case for how purpose-driven businesses contribute to broader economic and societal growth. The findings indicate that businesses committed to purpose not only foster innovation but also drive employee satisfaction and economic development.

However, Louisa acknowledges the challenges many organisations face in implementing purpose-led strategies and sustainability initiatives. She points to an industry-wide imbalance between innovation and reporting, noting that “ according to an IBM study, companies today spend 43 times more on reporting than on research and development,” a statistic she finds both unsurprising and disappointing. Compliance and reporting rightly are a huge focus for sustainability leaders, both in terms of time and budget. However, she argues, with limited resources this can often be instead of investing in creativity and innovation—the very ingredients necessary to address complex sustainability challenges.

Louisa’s solution to this issue is to take the time to embed sustainability and purpose into everyone’s role. fostering an imaginative, innovative culture.

“It’s about being willing to experiment,”

she says, urging businesses to cultivate a space where new ideas can flourish without fear of failure. For Louisa, rethinking corporate responsibility involves acknowledging that “crisis of imagination”— fire-fighting and mounting risks can be paralyzing. On a more fundamental level, despite all the science and targets we have to work towards, imagining how a more sustainable, equitable future will run in reality is a big leap for our imaginations, and one people really struggle with. By encouraging companies to “reimagine what is possible,” Louisa believes they can unlock new pathways to impact.

 

Building Capacity for Courageous Leadership

At the heart of Louisa’s vision for corporate sustainability is the idea of courageous leadership.

“It’s often a tiny percentage of an organisation, maybe 1 -5%, who think of sustainability as part of their role. Yet making change happen will need everyone, and skills from every function as well as the sustainability ream.

Louisa explains.

This emphasis on collective responsibility and therefore collective impact is part of Louisa’s broader approach, which she refers to as “systems change.” She advocates for equipping employees with the knowledge and skills necessary to integrate sustainability into their daily work, regardless of their department, where everyone can see themselves as a designer and innovator. “You’re designing your day, your service lines, your organisation’s structure,” Louisa says, highlighting how viewing every individual as a “designer” can transform how sustainability is embedded into an organisation’s DNA.

To foster this mindset, Louisa suggests creating opportunities for employees to engage with sustainability outside of their traditional roles. She believes this not only boosts morale but also strengthens the company’s sustainability efforts. “Purpose isn’t about a small team doing good on the side,” she insists. Instead, it’s about fostering a culture where sustainable thinking is the norm, not the exception.

 

Moving Beyond Compliance: The Role of Innovation and Advocacy

For Louisa, authentic purpose is far more than words and a meaningful sustainability strategy is more than just meeting compliance standards—it’s about rethinking the role of business in society. She encourages companies to take a more active role in advocacy, using their influence to drive systemic change at an industry level.

“Purpose should serve as a North Star, not only guiding internal policies but also shaping the organisation’s role in the broader ecosystem,”

she says.

Louisa’s advocacy-oriented approach calls on businesses to partner with industry groups, governments, and NGOs to tackle large-scale issues. For example, she points to coalitions in the banking and beauty industries that have come together to address challenges like net-zero emissions and sustainable sourcing. “Find the problems that you can’t solve alone, and work with others to shift the dial,” she advises. This collaborative, problem-solving approach is, in Louisa’s view, essential for making a lasting impact.

 

Creating a Legacy of Meaningful Impact

This podcast was recorded just as Louisa has founded her new project Curiously Liminal, focusing on activating courageous leadership, collective impact and systems innovation. Doing so is part of a moment’s pause and inquiry into where she can make the most impact. When asked what she would like to look back on and say her legacy has been she says: “I want to be able to look back and know that the interventions I chose to spend my time on in this critical decade, really did made a difference.” Her goal, she explains, is not just to help companies implement sustainable practices but to create a lasting culture of curiosity, courage, and collaboration.

In her view, this is the real promise of purpose-driven business—a way to align business strategy and skills with the pressing needs of society. Louisa’s message to organisations is simple: purpose is not a destination but a journey, one that requires constant adaptation, engagement, and a willingness to challenge the status quo.

As companies continue to navigate the evolving landscape of responsible business, Louisa’s insights offer a blueprint for those committed to making a genuine impact. By embracing purpose in your core business strategy as an engine for innovation , fostering a culture of courageous leadership, and prioritising collaboration over competition, businesses have the power to become agents of positive change in a world that urgently needs it.

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