Why SMEs Can’t Ignore Sustainability Any Longer

Episode 135 | 24.11.2025

Why SMEs Can’t Ignore Sustainability Any Longer

A clear look at why supply-chain pressure is reshaping the future for small businesses.

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A Shift That Is Quiet but Serious

The conversation with sustainability strategist Jonathan Wragg takes place inside Bramall Lane in Sheffield. It is a calm setting for a discussion that affects thousands of small businesses. Jonathan has worked in sustainability roles across multiple industries for almost two decades, and he sees a pattern forming. Large organisations are asking harder questions about the suppliers they rely on, and they expect real answers.

He puts it plainly.

“By your business not being more sustainable, you are seen as a high risk supplier.”

For SMEs, this change arrives quickly. Many work with short planning cycles and tight margins. They see sustainability as something to improve when time allows. Their biggest customers see it as a decision point today.

 

A Career Built on Work, Chance and Values

Jonathan describes his route into sustainability as accidental. He joined the Royal Navy at sixteen and learned discipline, teamwork and a sense of duty.
“They give you a sense of doing the right thing when nobody is looking,” he says.

After leaving the Navy, he moved through plastics, packaging, manufacturing and global supply chains. His LinkedIn record shows senior roles in governance, supply-chain oversight and ESG development across more than forty countries.

Throughout this journey, he developed a skill that shapes his work today. He learned how to translate complex sustainability language into something people can understand.

“One of the things that I do best is the translation of sustainability,” he says.

This is the basis of his work with Ltt Group, the consultancy he co-founded to support SMEs.

 

The Turning Point That Changes Everything

Jonathan believes the era of vague sustainability claims is over. Small businesses once relied on broad statements in tenders and sales meetings. They are now challenged directly.

“If somebody tells me something, my response is prove it,” he says. “If you cannot, I am not going to buy off you.”

Corporate sustainability teams are now involved in procurement. They review carbon data. They check policies. They assess risk. They can see when language is used as decoration rather than substance.

Jonathan also points to the influence of investors. “Investment in ESG has gone up to around 19 trillion dollars globally,” he says.

“Politics works in three year cycles. Finance works in longer cycles.”

In other words, the pressure is structural. It will not disappear.

 

Helping SMEs Take Action Without Guesswork

Ltt Group works with SMEs by starting where the risk is most visible. “The first thing we do is work with the sales team,” Jonathan explains. “We identify the clients you have right now and what risk you have.”

If a single corporate buyer represents sixty percent of revenue, that is a direct vulnerability.

“If they stop using you, they will switch off the tap,” he says.

The support that follows is practical.

  • A clear emissions baseline
  • Honest policies and data
  • Basic governance
  • Social value reporting
  • Straightforward language
  • A timeline that can be tracked

Jonathan encourages SMEs to focus on accuracy rather than perfection. “It is about the journey you are on,” he says. “Be honest about where you are.”

 

The Moral and Commercial Tension

Jonathan speaks openly about a larger tension that sits behind this shift. Many SMEs feel overwhelmed. They face rising costs, labour shortages and daily operational challenges. Yet their customers are moving ahead with stronger sustainability expectations.

“Everybody just wants to grow,” he says. “The only way business can grow now is by being more sustainable.”

He also worries about the impact on communities if local suppliers fail to keep up.

“If businesses in Sheffield lose their big contracts, the unemployment impact is huge,” he says. “That terrifies me.”

This is the heart of his work. Sustainability is not only about targets. It is about livelihoods.

 

Why Procurement Will Shape the Future

Jonathan believes the next decade will be shaped more by procurement than by politics. He gives an example of a company that weighted a major tender ninety percent on CSR. Prices fell because suppliers understood the scoring and aligned to it. “It improved everything,” he says.

His own idea for faster progress is simple.

“Minimum sixty percent scoring on CSR with named accreditations,” he says. “Hold people to account.”

Clear expectations allow suppliers to plan, grow and compete on a level field.

 

The Takeaway

Jonathan’s message to SMEs is practical and direct. Waiting will not protect you. The market has moved, and it rewards those who can show what they are doing.

“By being more sustainable, you lower your risk. You protect your future,” he says.

 

Closing Reflection

The setting at Bramall Lane makes the conversation feel grounded in a real place and a real community. It is a reminder that responsible business is not a slogan. It shapes jobs, supply chains and the confidence of local regions.

For SMEs, sustainability is becoming a basic part of running a secure and resilient business. Proof has become a form of trust. And trust is now a condition for growth.

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When Tree Planting Becomes Real Climate Action

Episode 134 | 17.11.2025

When Tree Planting Becomes Real Climate Action

Tree planting is everywhere in climate work. Real restoration takes patience, proof and honest intent.

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Why This Conversation Matters

Tree planting has become a favourite climate habit. It feels simple. It feels hopeful. But this simplicity can hide a harder truth.

Derrick Emsley, co-founder of Tentree and Veritree, sees the gap between planting a sapling and restoring a living forest. He worries that tree planting can distract from deeper climate work when it is not done with care. As he put it,

“Tree planting is an input in pursuit of an outcome.”

That one line sets the tone. A forest is the outcome. Planting is just the start.

 

How the Story Begins

Derrick grew up in Saskatchewan. His first business began when he was sixteen. He and his brother planted trees on farmland because it felt like a direct way to help.

He remembers that early thinking clearly.

“We thought okay, you know, trees take carbon out of the air. We have a lot of marginal farmland. Why don’t we just plant trees on farmland?”

The idea had energy, but not expertise. They soon learned how complex restoration really is. Land, species, partners and long-term care all matter. Their first venture did not last, but it opened their eyes to the power of restoring nature.

They did not fall in love with carbon markets. They fell in love with reforestation.

 

The Turning Point

Tentree came next. The model was simple. For every product sold, ten trees would be planted. But the promise brought new pressure.

Derrick recalls the questions that kept coming up.

“Did the tree get planted? Did anybody else claim that same tree? Did it survive and was it even the right tree in the first place?”

The team struggled to find clear answers, so they built their own tools. They mapped planting sites. They checked survival. They built a system to track every project. The tool later became Veritree, a platform for monitoring and verification.

This shift from planting to proving changed how the work was done.

 

What Real Action Looks Like

Restoration projects now run through a full life cycle inside Veritree. Assessment. Design. Planting. Monitoring. Verification. Reporting. Inventory.

The goal is simple. Evidence. If a company says it supported a forest, there should be clear proof that the forest exists and grows.

Not every partner is accepted. Derrick shared why.

“We have said no to a ton of partnerships where we don’t believe the organisation is interested in doing this for the right reasons.”

Short-term tree planting is not enough. Long-term care matters. Many partners now commit for three to five years or more. A forest cannot be built on one-off gestures.

 

The Moral Tension

Tree planting sits in a tight moral space. It can help the climate. It can also distract.

Derrick described a pattern he sees across the sector.

“Tree planting as itself, if all we are doing is just putting sticks in the ground, that is performative.”

Performative planting creates numbers. Transformative planting creates forests. The difference is intention, method and time.

Derrick is also clear about the wider climate picture. Cutting emissions still comes first. Tree planting cannot be an excuse. It must be a support.

 

Why There Is Still Hope

Despite political noise around climate, support for nature is strong. Derrick shared research he heard during Climate Week.

“People were asked, do they feel we need to be restoring nature and restoring natural places. Ninety percent said yes.”

Nature still unites people. It offers a shared starting point when climate conversations feel divided. This gives restoration work a rare chance to grow.

Inside companies, the work is steady even if the public conversation is uneven. Many organisations are building nature strategies quietly and consistently.

 

The Takeaway

Tree planting became popular because it feels hopeful. The responsibility now is to keep that hope honest.

For Derrick, the future depends on one idea.

“If I could wave a magic wand, it would be to embed nature as infrastructure in every dollar we spend.”

Real restoration needs steady funding, long partnerships and honest reporting. It needs projects that put forests, not numbers, at the centre.

Trees can help the climate. But they only help when we treat them with care, patience and truth.

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The real problem with sustainability is how we talk about it

Episode 133 | 10.11.2025

The Real Problem With Sustainability Is How We Talk About It

Two communications leaders explain why climate language has lost people, and how honesty and simplicity could win them back.

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Why this conversation matters

The word “sustainability” has become heavy. It carries too much emotion, too much politics, and not enough clarity.

As Rob Agnew puts it:

“The debate’s been hijacked by extremes. One side says it’s all doom; the other says it’s all nonsense. Most people are just trying to pay the bills.”

That middle ground, where practical progress actually happens, is where Rob and Cat Biggart spend their time. Both work in strategic communications and see the same pattern: companies either speak in jargon or go quiet out of fear. Neither helps anyone move forward.

 

How the story begins

Cat grew up outside Sydney, where she says she “spent more time saving bees from the pool than swimming.” She studied psychology and went into marketing, but the pull toward the natural world never left. That’s shaped how she sees business: as something that should support, not exploit, the environment it depends on.

Rob’s story starts on a small farm on the Bucks–Northants border.

“I saw what happens when environmental policy ignores people’s lives,” he says.

Later, in Texas, he watched communities wrestle with the economic side of the energy transition. Those experiences gave him a grounded view of what real responsibility looks like.

 

The turning point

For both, the turning point came when sustainability talk got louder, but less useful.

“We spent years appealing to emotion,” Rob says. “Now we need to appeal to reason.”

That doesn’t mean ditching ambition. It means showing what progress feels like in people’s lives. “Talk about the things they notice,” he says. “Lower bills, cleaner air, safer jobs. Not a 2035 target they can’t picture.”

Cat agrees:

“People tune out when the message feels abstract. They want to know, what’s this going to do for me, for my family, for my business?”

 

A practical kind of storytelling

Both believe the future of sustainability communication lies in honesty and proof. “Say what you’re doing, and show the results,” Cat says.

“If you missed a target, own it. People can handle bad news. What they can’t handle is spin.”

Rob’s rule is even simpler. “I’d ban most corporate words. The minute you sound like a press release, people stop listening.”

They describe good sustainability storytelling as “win-win-win”: good for business, good for people, and good for the planet. Not perfect, just real.

 

The moral tension: fear vs. responsibility

Many companies have pulled back from public sustainability talk. Some call it “green-hushing.” Cat sees the risk. “Silence isn’t neutral,” she says.

“If you stop talking, the loudest, most polarised voices fill the space.”

The fear of backlash has made brands cautious, but Rob argues that responsibility requires persistence. “If you believe in what you’re doing, explain it. Don’t hide behind silence. Find language that works.”

 

What gives hope

Both sense the conversation maturing. Sustainability is moving from marketing to management, from slogans to strategy. “We’re starting to see resilience replace rhetoric,” Rob says. “Businesses want to do what works, not what sounds good.”

Cat adds that younger communicators are bringing new energy.

“They care, but they’re also pragmatic. They know the world’s messy, and that’s okay. Progress doesn’t have to be perfect.”

 

The takeaway

Sustainability isn’t failing, it’s growing up. The next step is to make it understandable again. Speak plainly. Tell the truth. Admit the trade-offs.

As Cat puts it, “You can’t build trust with a slogan.” And as Rob reminds us:

“Responsibility starts when you stop talking to yourself.”

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What Professional Services Get Wrong About Responsibility

Episode 132 | 3.11.2025

What Professional Services Get Wrong About Responsibility

Lawyer and adviser Jeff Twentyman says the real measure of integrity isn’t in office emissions or travel miles, but in what your advice enables in the world.

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Why This Conversation Matters

Most professional firms now publish long sustainability reports. They measure travel, electricity, and waste. But Jeff Twentyman says that’s only a fraction of the truth.

“The biggest part of a professional firm’s footprint is what its advice leads to,” he says.

“If the outcomes of that advice make the world worse, you can’t hide behind a green office or a recycling policy.”

It’s a simple idea, but one that cuts deep. Because it means law, finance, and consulting firms are not neutral. Their work shapes decisions that echo far beyond their buildings.

Jeff has spent more than three decades in that world. A former partner at Slaughter and May, he helped build the firm’s sustainability practice and responsible business programme. Today, he teaches at UCL, is chair of Blueprint for a Better Business, sits on the board of the Green Finance Institute, and supports purpose-led entrepreneurs. His focus is always the same: how responsibility becomes real.

 

From City Law to Public Purpose

Jeff didn’t plan to become a governance adviser. “I started out as a deal lawyer,” he says. “It was all about getting transactions done.”

But over time, he began to ask tougher questions. “I realised we never talked about what those deals actually meant,” he says.

“We looked at legality and efficiency, but not whether the outcome was good for society.”

That shift in perspective eventually led him to lead sustainability and responsible business at Slaughter and May. It also connected him to organisations like A Blueprint for Better Business, which challenges companies to serve the common good, and the Green Finance Institute, which pushes financial systems toward climate alignment.

His current work, he says, is about “helping people make sense of what responsibility really looks like in practice.”

 

Seeing the Real Footprint

In the early 2000s, law firms began to focus on their carbon emissions. “We all looked at the easy stuff,” Jeff recalls.

“Recycling, energy use, travel. And those things matter. But they’re small compared to what your advice enables.”

He offers a blunt example. “If a firm helps a client structure a deal that prolongs fossil fuel extraction, then your real footprint is that project’s emissions. You can’t offset that by switching to LED bulbs.”

This way of thinking — linking a firm’s ethics to its influence — remains rare in professional services. It’s uncomfortable. It asks firms to take moral ownership of their role in the system, not just manage their own operations.

But Jeff insists it’s where the real opportunity lies.

“Once you start looking at the impact of your work, you can choose differently. You can ask: is this something we’re proud to enable?”

 

Doing, Not Saying

Jeff’s career now blends boardroom work with teaching, coaching, and mentoring. He advises leaders on governance and sits with early-stage founders trying to scale responsibly. “I like variety,” he says with a smile. “I need a bit of turmoil in my life to stay interested.”

He’s also quick to challenge empty talk. “There’s a lot of saying and not enough doing,” he says.

“Firms make big claims about purpose, but integrity is what you do when no one’s watching.”

Jeff believes progress depends on honesty about trade-offs. “Sometimes you can’t please every stakeholder. Responsibility isn’t about being perfect; it’s about being transparent about what you’re choosing and why.”

 

The Hard Part of Change

The episode’s discussion centres on a research paper about the attitude–behaviour gap — why people who care about the planet still fly, eat meat, or overconsume. Jeff finds the topic fascinating, but warns against easy answers.

“Information doesn’t automatically change behaviour,” he says.

“People know what’s right, but we’re built for comfort and convenience.”

The paper links self-awareness, or “dispositional mindfulness,” to better choices. Jeff agrees it helps. “Mindfulness gives people a pause button. It lets you notice what you’re about to do before you do it.”

But he adds, “That’s not enough on its own. We also need incentives and rules. Sometimes governments have to make the hard calls people won’t make individually. We can’t rely on everyone becoming a monk.”

 

Hope and Momentum

Despite his realism, Jeff remains hopeful. He sees evidence of cultural change in daily life. “Look at diet,” he says.

“Ten years ago, vegetarianism was fringe. Now it’s mainstream. Electric cars, the same story. Change starts quietly and then tips.”

He also sees frustration among companies that want clearer direction. “Many businesses actually want stronger regulation. They’re tired of guessing what ‘good’ looks like.”

And while politics can feel stuck, Jeff believes people are moving ahead anyway. “Citizens are often braver than their leaders. You see it in communities adapting to droughts, floods, or energy shocks. They don’t need to be told it’s real — they’re living it.”

 

A Simple but Radical Idea

When asked what single change could make the biggest difference, Jeff doesn’t hesitate. “I’d choose equality,” he says.

“If we valued every human life equally, we’d act very differently.”

He explains that inequality fuels fear and mistrust. “When some people have too much and others have nothing, it’s very hard to cooperate. Climate change needs collective effort, but inequality makes that impossible.”

It’s a striking answer — less about technology, more about values. “We have to start treating fairness as part of sustainability,” he says. “It’s not a side issue. It’s the foundation.”

 

Responsibility Starts with Reality

In the end, Jeff’s message is practical, not idealistic. He wants professional firms to own the influence they hold and align their work with the outcomes they claim to support.

“For me, responsibility starts with being real,” he says.

“Look honestly at what you do. Be clear about your impact. And if you don’t like what you see, change it.”

It’s the kind of clarity that cuts through policy talk and brand language. Responsibility, as Jeff defines it, is not about saying the right thing. It’s about choosing the right thing — and accepting the weight that comes with it.

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Europe’s Tech Sovereignty Test: Can Values Withstand U.S. Pressure?

Episode 131 | 26.10.2025

Europe’s Tech Sovereignty Test: Can Values Withstand U.S. Pressure?

The EU’s clash with Trump over digital regulation exposes the fault line between free-market power and value-based governance.

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Why Europe’s Tech Fight Matters

When Donald Trump threatened new tariffs on the EU for its digital laws, it looked like another trade dispute. But behind the politics lies a deeper question: who should set the rules for global technology, and whose values shape those rules?

For TECH by Handelsblatt, this debate is not about tariffs. It is about values. Managing Director Dale Rickert believes Europe must show that growth and integrity can exist together.

“Our rules are not for sale,” he says. “They protect the democracy we rely on.”

 

A Beginning in Music

Dale started his career far from politics. He was a professional cellist in Australia and Germany. In an orchestra, he says, you learn that harmony comes from teamwork, not ego.

“You play your part, and together you create something bigger.”

That experience shaped how he works today. Whether he is running events or building partnerships, he treats business as a collective performance. Everyone has a part to play, and success depends on collaboration, not competition.

 

Building a European Vision

When Handelsblatt created TECH, the goal was to build a European platform where business and technology leaders could meet, share ideas and defend common values.

The idea came from a simple question: what does it mean to be European in business? For Dale, it means having a clear moral compass and protecting what matters most — trust, transparency and fairness.

The TECH Congress in Heilbronn has become a space for that conversation. Leaders, innovators and ministers come not only to talk but to listen and connect.

 

Europe Says: Our Rules, Our Future

The article that inspired this episode — EU defends sovereign right to regulate tech against Trump’s latest tariff threat — described how the U.S. called Europe’s digital laws “unfair.”

The EU refused to back down. Its Digital Services and Markets Acts ask tech giants to take responsibility for harmful content, data privacy and monopoly power. Europe’s answer to Trump was clear: the rules stand, and they exist for a reason.

 

The Moral Divide

Dale calls it a “paradigm war.” The U.S. often removes rules to help business grow. Europe creates rules to make sure growth stays fair.

It raises a bigger question: should technology be free from limits, or guided by ethics? Dale believes that regulation does not stop innovation. It makes sure innovation helps society instead of harming it.

 

The Future of Digital Sovereignty

A less visible issue in this debate is data. Most European companies still use American cloud services. Under U.S. law, those companies could be forced to hand over user data if asked by their government.

Dale warns that Europe cannot build a strong digital future on foreign infrastructure. He supports the move toward “sovereign technology” — tools and systems built in Europe, under European law, with data protected by European values.

 

The Takeaway

For Europe to become a true tech power, it must balance growth with integrity. It needs to protect trust, even when progress feels slow.

Dale’s advice is simple: talk face to face. “It’s hard to hate someone when you sit with them,” he says.

“If we work together as people, not profiles, big problems start to shrink.”

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From Footprints to Handprints: Measuring What Really Matters

Episode 130 | 18.10.2025

From Footprints to Handprints: Measuring What Really Matters

How a new way of thinking about impact is helping the built environment move from compliance to genuine change.

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Why this conversation matters

The built environment is responsible for around 40% of global carbon emissions. For years, sustainability in construction has meant counting emissions, writing reports, and checking boxes. But what if the real story isn’t in the footprint we leave behind — it’s in the handprint we create?

This week’s conversation explores that shift with The Responsible Edge host Charlie Martin and Useful Simple Trust’s Head of Sustainability, Carrie Behar.

 

The origin of a responsible mindset

Carrie’s turning point came early. As a young architecture graduate in 2009, she joined a master’s course in environmental design. The first assignment? Calculate her own carbon footprint.

“I’d just spent a year travelling the world,” she laughed.

“My flight emissions wouldn’t fit on the page.”

That moment turned embarrassment into action. She realised how every individual decision — no matter how small — plays a part in shaping our shared impact.

 

From student to systems thinker

Fifteen years later, Carrie leads sustainability across the Useful Simple Trust, a group of purpose-led design and engineering firms. Her role bridges two worlds: guiding the Trust’s internal transition to net zero, and advising clients on how to design for regeneration.

That balance keeps her grounded. “We can’t ask clients to do something we’re not doing ourselves,” she says.

“Implementing change in-house makes me a more pragmatic consultant.”

 

Compliance or change?

The discussion centres on a Financial Times article about a surge in ESG regulation. Carrie recognises the tension between the growing focus on compliance and the slower work of transformation.

She admits that smaller teams like hers could spend all their time measuring emissions and writing policies. “It can feel bureaucratic,” she says.

“But a clear strategy is the hook from which everything else can hang.”

By doing the heavy lifting on data and governance, her team frees others to innovate — a reversal of the usual model.

 

The handprint idea

Carrie’s proudest initiative reframes the entire question of impact. Rather than measuring only the carbon footprint of the organisation, Useful Simple Trust now measures its handprint — the positive influence of its projects across society and the environment.

“Our footprint is small,” she explains, “but our handprint — the ripple effect of our work — is where our real impact lies.”

The tool maps each project along a regenerative design spectrum, forcing the team to be brutally honest about both benefits and harms. It’s data with a conscience.

 

Responsibility in practice

Carrie sees success not as one department’s progress, but as collective engagement. Her favourite metric is the growing number of colleagues applying for the Trust’s R&D and pro bono investment fund.

“I’d rather everyone does a little bit,” she says, “than just a few people doing a lot.”

This bottom-up model turns sustainability from a policy into a practice — one that belongs to everyone.

 

Hope for a regenerative future

Asked what she’d change about the business world, Carrie offers two wishes: to measure success beyond financial value, and to give nature a literal voice in decision-making.

At Useful Simple Trust, that might soon mean a board agenda item titled “What would nature say?”

It’s a small but profound shift — from counting emissions to considering ethics. From footprints to handprints.

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