The Brands Getting Sustainability Right Are Building Something More Valuable Than Compliance

Episode 177 | 22.9.2026

The Brands Getting Sustainability Right Are Building Something More Valuable Than Compliance

A 2026 Anti-Greenwash Charter roundtable with nine purpose-led brands finds that responsible communications, done well, is one of the most powerful trust assets a brand can build.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

What Happens When the Right Brands Compare Notes

In the summer of 2026, the Anti-Greenwash Charter brought together nine purpose-led brands for a ninety-minute facilitated discussion on sustainability communications. The brands spanned food, drink, household goods, personal care, and grocery. Several are certified B Corporations. All are widely regarded as taking sustainability seriously and doing the work well.

What the Anti-Greenwash Charter wanted to understand was what the leading brands are learning.

What does responsible sustainability communication actually look like in practice? What are the disciplines that make it credible? And what does the evidence say about its commercial value?

The resulting report, Trusted Communications for Purpose-Led Brands, published in August 2026, provides some answers.

Gareth Brown and Andy Last

Gareth Brown is a marketing director with over fifteen years of experience growing market-leading brands in the UK and globally, including as Global Marketing Communications Director at Duni Group. He facilitated the roundtable and advises both truMRK and the Anti-Greenwash Charter.

Andy Last co-founded salt communications, one of the UK’s first B Corps, scaling it from start-up to a multinational business before its sale to Interpublic Group.

He is the author of Business on a Mission: How to Build a Sustainable Brand and advises the Anti-Greenwash Charter on sustainability leadership and communications.

 

Sustainability Is a Lever of Trust

The report’s most commercially significant finding concerns the relationship between sustainability communication and brand confidence.

Organisations at the top of their field have recognised something that goes beyond regulatory compliance. A credible sustainability record, communicated with precision and evidence, does not only protect a brand from scrutiny. It builds the kind of trust that drives customer loyalty, retail advocacy, and long-term brand preference.

“Sustainability is a lever of trust,” Andy said. “And that is only as strong as the last piece of communications you’ve made.”

The report identifies five cross-cutting findings. One of the most valuable is that a strong track record of responsible practice protects a brand when challenges arise. An organisation that has consistently communicated with evidence, honesty, and precision can respond to a limited issue, correct it transparently, and preserve customer confidence. That protection is built through cumulative credibility, not through any single claim.

“Trust is built across different parts of the business. If a limited issue arises, a strong record can help us put it right transparently and maintain confidence.”

 

Precision as Competitive Advantage

The roundtable found that the most effective sustainability communicators lead with precise, product-level claims that are fully substantiated and genuinely differentiating. A specific figure tied to a defined product and boundary can remain accurate under competitive or regulatory scrutiny in a way that sweeping claims cannot.

This is a competitive advantage, not a constraint. While less rigorous competitors make broad claims that do not withstand scrutiny, a brand with a fully evidenced, specific claim occupies a position that is genuinely defensible.

“Many competitors cannot make this specific claim. But we can state it with confidence because it is true and evidence-based.”

The report finds that the most advanced organisations are treating the incoming regulatory environment, including the EU’s Empowering Consumers Directive, which will come into force on 27 September 2026, as an accelerant rather than a problem. Brands with their evidence base, claims policy, and governance already in place are ahead of the curve.

The Discipline That Protects Every Claim a Brand Makes

The roundtable’s deepest finding connects sustainability communication to the health of the whole brand.

A brand caught out on a sustainability claim does not only lose that claim. It teaches its customers to doubt the next one, about nutrition, about quality, about anything. Credibility does not compartmentalise. This is why the discipline the report describes matters beyond sustainability: precision, substantiation, honesty about limitations, and ownership of every channel are the same disciplines that protect everything else a brand says.

Sustainability is the subject. Trust is the asset.

The report identifies the internal handoff from sustainability teams to marketing as the point of greatest vulnerability. When qualifications and context are stripped in the edit, accuracy is compromised before the claim reaches the customer. The practical solution the group converged on is a living claims policy, a single record of approved claims with their scope and substantiation, reviewed by compliance before marketing refines the language.

One participant described opening up about known gaps in its own supply chain, alongside the remediation underway. Rather than damaging credibility, it built it.

“Transparency builds understanding first, and it’s that understanding that makes trust meaningful, rather than blind trust.”

What the Charter and truMRK Make Possible

The roundtable’s magic wand answers were unanimous.

Gareth’s: a market in which third-party verification of sustainability claims becomes the expected standard. When customers begin to favour independently verified claims over unverified ones, the commercial advantage flows to brands that have invested in getting it right.

“If we reach the tipping point where customers turn away from brands that aren’t verified, suddenly a lot of organisations who are maybe trying to wing it slightly will start taking sustainable communications more seriously.”

Andy’s: an independent mark, simple and credible, that sits on a piece of communication and tells the audience that what is being claimed about sustainability has been independently checked as true.

“Simpler, better communication about an area that increasingly matters to all consumers. The end of lawyer words on pack.”

The Anti-Greenwash Charter and truMRK are built precisely for this moment. The Charter certifies organisations whose Green Claims Policy has been independently reviewed, providing visible evidence of their commitment to responsible communication. truMRK goes further, reviewing individual sustainability claims before publication and issuing a mark that signals independent verification to every audience that encounters the communication.

Together they offer what the roundtable identified as the missing piece: not just the discipline to communicate responsibly, but the independent evidence that the discipline is in place.

The brands in the room are already investing in this. The question is who joins them next.

Sponsored by...

 

truMRK: Marketing and Communications You Can Trust


👉 Learn how truMRK helps organisations strengthen the credibility of their marketing and communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Join 2,500+ Leaders.

Exploring how to build trust, lead responsibly, and grow with integrity. Get the latest episodes and exclusive insights direct to your inbox.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast. All rights reserved. The Responsible Edge Podcast® is a registered trademark.

Sponsored by truMRK

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast

The G in ESG Is the Only Letter That Makes the Others Matter

Episode 176 | 15.9.2026

The G in ESG Is the Only Letter That Makes the Others Matter

Benjamin Thiele-Long on why the PA Future article is right about governance, wrong to equivocate about it, and conspicuously short of the evidence it claims to be built on.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

The Article That Got the Headline Right and Then Lost Its Nerve

A July 2026 article in PA Future argues that ESG investing has a governance problem. The case it makes is that while investors and media fixate on environmental and social issues, governance, the G, is routinely overlooked despite being the foundation everything else depends on.

The article contends that governance reporting needs greater standardisation. It argues that executive pay should be linked to genuine investor engagement. It notes that weak board structures and poor leadership represent material business risks.

It concludes that “investors can champion environmental and social progress all they like, but weak governance can quickly undermine many of their ambitions.”

Benjamin Thiele-Long read it and found himself simultaneously convinced by the premise and irritated by the execution.

“The headline completely grabbed me as being completely true. And then I found myself reading the article and finding the equivocation about the claim almost watered it down to the point that it didn’t hold the power that it was meant to.”

May Be. Must Be.

Benjamin’s first critique is linguistic and deliberate.

The PA Future article argues that governance “may be the most important” of the three ESG letters. It states that investors “can focus on the composition and behaviour of the board” to drive lasting change.

His objection is precise. “If you’re going to say it is, it either is or it isn’t.”

And on the investors who want to influence sustainability outcomes: “Not can. Must. Just must.”

For a barrister who has argued cases at every level of the English criminal and civil courts, the distinction between may and must is not semantic. It is the difference between an argument and a position. The PA Future article, in his reading, assembles the evidence for a bold claim and then declines to make it.

He adds, with some precision, that the article is written by someone at a firm that describes itself as evidence-based, yet contains not a single data point.

“If you’re going to hold yourself out as an evidence-based investor, give me some evidence. Because it’s out there. There’s tons of research about how good governance is the cornerstone. Let’s put our money where our mouth is.”

 

The Barrister Who Became a Communications Director

Benjamin Thiele-Long was called to the Bar at twenty-three. He spent a decade as a criminal barrister, working primarily in financial crime and regulation, alongside what the profession calls high street crime: the full range of serious criminal cases handled by the Crown Prosecution Service, the Serious Fraud Office, and the US Department of Justice. He appeared at every level of English criminal and civil court.

He moved into communications through a recognition that the two disciplines share more than they appear to. Both require building arguments, understanding audiences, and communicating complex positions to people with the power to decide. He moved to the United States, held senior communications and ESG roles including SVP and Chief ESG and Communications Officer at Petco, and has recently returned to practice as a barrister at Drystone Chambers.

The careers are not as separate as they look. “They seem so oddly opposed, but actually the similarities are vast.”

It is from that dual vantage point that he reads the PA Future article: as someone who understands both the legal precision required to make an argument stick and the communications discipline required to make it land with the right audience.

Governance Is Not the Poor Cousin of ESG. It Is Its Foundation.

Benjamin’s substantive argument goes further than the article’s.

The PA Future piece frames governance as the neglected component of ESG that investors should attend to more. Benjamin’s position is that governance is not a component of ESG at all. It is the precondition for ESG to be anything other than marketing.

“Good governance is the cornerstone that leads good business. So the fact that it is sort of so often forgotten as being a part of the ESG programme is mind blowing to me.”

The logic is clean. A company with weak governance, a board that lacks independence, executives whose pay is not tied to long-term performance, oversight structures that cannot hold management to account, cannot credibly pursue an environmental or social strategy. The strategy exists on paper. The structure that would deliver it does not.

The PA Future article makes a version of this argument. It does not name the mechanism clearly enough, in Benjamin’s view, to give investors the practical direction they need.

 

Moving ESG from the Bottom Line to the Top

Benjamin’s magic wand answer connects the governance argument to communications strategy.

He would move ESG from the bottom line to the top: from a cost to be managed to a driver of revenue to be understood and articulated. That is not a proposal to make ESG purely commercial. It is a proposal to change how it is framed inside organisations and in conversation with boards.

“Your ESG leaders and teams should not be tucked away in some room all eating granola bars and cycling to work. Those days are over. They need to be in the room, part of the conversation, and seeing the same data that you are.”

The governance argument and the communications argument connect at that point. A well-governed company gives its ESG function the access, the data, and the organisational standing to contribute to commercial strategy rather than run alongside it.

“There is no right way or wrong way to do ESG. But there is a right way or wrong way to talk about it. Start with your audience. Start with what matters to them.”

Whether the investment community reads that instruction as seriously as the PA Future article intends its governance argument to be read is, as of now, open.

Sponsored by...

 

truMRK: Marketing and Communications You Can Trust


👉 Learn how truMRK helps organisations strengthen the credibility of their marketing and communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Join 2,500+ Leaders.

Exploring how to build trust, lead responsibly, and grow with integrity. Get the latest episodes and exclusive insights direct to your inbox.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast. All rights reserved. The Responsible Edge Podcast® is a registered trademark.

Sponsored by truMRK

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast

Forty Percent Avoid the News. Seventy Percent Distrust Difference.

Episode 175 | 8.9.2026

Forty Percent Avoid the News. Seventy Percent Distrust Difference.

Aimee Rawlins on what Onora O’Neill’s twenty-year-old prediction, the Reuters Digital News Report, and the collapse of local media tell us about the information environment responsible business now operates in.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

A Prediction That Has Fully Arrived

In 2002, Baroness Onora O’Neill used the BBC Reith Lectures to predict a coming crisis of institutional trust. A decline, she argued, in belief in leaders, governments, businesses, media, and ultimately in each other.

A July 2026 article by Gavin Esler in The National argues the prediction has now fully arrived.

The Edelman Trust Barometer 2026, which Esler cites, found that seven in ten respondents globally report unwillingness or hesitance to trust someone with different values or backgrounds.

In Japan the figure is ninety percent. Germany, eighty-one. The UK, seventy-six. The US, seventy.

The Reuters Digital News Report 2026, also cited in the article, found that roughly forty percent of people now practise news avoidance.

Only thirty-nine percent get news from ideologically different sources at least weekly.

Aimee Rawlins read the article and found both statistics significant.

Fake News as a Feeling, Not Just a Fact

Aimee is a freelance editor and writer covering sustainability, land use, and climate for Time and The Guardian. Before that she was Senior Editor for the Impact section at Fast Company, managing a team covering climate, clean energy, and ESG. Her journalism career began at CNNMoney and CNN, covering finance, technology, and startups.

She brings a precise diagnostic to the trust problem. The issue is not simply that more false information is in circulation. It is that people now believe all information might be false.

Reuters found, she notes, that two thirds of respondents believe a foreign adversary could be inserting falsehoods into national media. Once distrust extends to the source rather than to specific claims, it becomes indiscriminate. A story that does not align with an existing worldview is assumed suspicious regardless of its accuracy.

“The challenge right now is that it’s not just that there is more fake news. It’s that people think news is fake.”

 

What Local News Deserts Actually Do

Aimee’s most structural observation connects the trust data to the decline of local journalism, particularly in the United States.

Research she references consistently finds that in communities that have lost local news sources, polarisation increases and social capital decreases.

Local journalism provides something national and partisan media cannot: a shared factual foundation for people who disagree about everything else.

A corrupt city council member. A planning decision. A business closing. These stories are not ideologically contentious. They give communities a common reference point.

When that disappears, the vacuum is filled elsewhere. “Instead of having a shared source, a shared truth of sorts, people look for it elsewhere, and that is not in a community-oriented place.”

What the Trust Crisis Means for Accountability

For sustainability journalism the implications are specific. Accountability reporting depends on readers who trust independent sources enough to engage with complexity and unwelcome findings.

A readership that practises news avoidance, that believes all media might be corrupted, that encounters only confirming information, is not a readership capable of distinguishing genuine transparency from sophisticated greenwashing.

The information environment in which sustainability claims are made and scrutinised is the same one in which trust is failing.

The accountability mechanism that gives responsible business its commercial value depends on an information ecosystem with enough trust in it to function.

 

Giving Enforcement Power to a Body That Currently Has None

Aimee’s magic wand would give the US National Labor Relations Board enforceable teeth: the legal authority to impose monetary penalties on companies for union busting and unfair labour practices, not merely order reinstatement or back pay.

“There’s zero incentive for companies not to engage in terrible practices, illegal practices.”

A Gallup survey found trust in unions currently stands at sixty-eight percent in the United States. The institution has public confidence. The regulatory body designed to support it cannot meaningfully act. The gap between the two is, in miniature, the same gap Esler’s article documents at civilisational scale: institutions that exist but cannot enforce create the appearance of accountability without its substance.

Esler closes his article with a line from O’Neill, drawn from Confucius. Three things are necessary for good government: weapons, food, and trust. If forced to choose what to relinquish, give up weapons and food first.

“Without trust we cannot stand.”

Sponsored by...

 

truMRK: Marketing and Communications You Can Trust


👉 Learn how truMRK helps organisations strengthen the credibility of their marketing and communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Join 2,500+ Leaders.

Exploring how to build trust, lead responsibly, and grow with integrity. Get the latest episodes and exclusive insights direct to your inbox.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast. All rights reserved. The Responsible Edge Podcast® is a registered trademark.

Sponsored by truMRK

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast

When Construction Hits Its Social Value Targets and Misses the Point

Episode 174 | 1.9.2026

When Construction Hits Its Social Value Targets and Misses the Point

Timothy Clement on why the gamification of social value delivery is producing numbers that go up while communities ask where it all went.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

The Act Had Good Intentions. The Industry Gamed It.

A June 2026 article by Darcie Lattin, social value manager at Watson, published in PBC Today, identifies a persistent problem in construction’s approach to social value. The industry, Lattin argues, has become good at delivering social value activities and reporting against targets. The tendency, she contends, is still to focus on what is easy to measure rather than what communities actually need.

Timothy Clement read it and recognised it immediately.

“We’ve gamified the very needs that the act is supposed to address,” he said.

The Social Value Act, passed approximately fifteen years ago, was designed to ensure that private sector delivery of large public contracts produced genuine local benefit.

The mechanism was logical. The implementation drifted. What gets measured gets managed. What gets managed gets optimised. And in a procurement-driven environment, what gets optimised is the score.

Theatre, South Africa, and Eleven Years on Site

Tim studied drama at Aberystwyth. His first job was as a touring actor in a theatre-in-education company. Before university he spent time in South Africa, volunteering with a charity that published and distributed books to communities where many languages had no written form. Setting up containers in townships. Getting books to communities that did not have them.

That experience, he reflects, is closer to the world of on-the-ground social value than the eleven years he subsequently spent on construction sites. His technical career led him into embodied carbon measurement. Social value, he says, completes the loop.

He also holds a Master’s from Cambridge in Interdisciplinary Design for the Built Environment. The combination of community formation, technical training, and construction experience is what equipped him for the role he now holds as Director of Social Value and Sustainability at Morgan Sindall Construction.

 

The Numbers Go Up. Communities Ask: Where Is It?

Lattin’s article identifies the measurement problem clearly. The industry must move beyond outputs and focus on genuine outcomes: whether a person returned to work, developed a skill, or found a route into employment that previously felt out of reach. Those moments, she writes, rarely fit neatly into a spreadsheet, yet are often the most meaningful indicators of success.

Tim endorses this and complicates it usefully. The problem is not that social value is not working. Social value managers across the country are genuinely changing people’s lives.

“It’s not that it’s not working. It’s just that we’re totally overvaluing what we’re doing.”

The measurement framework creates different signals for different audiences. Converting social value to pounds and pence makes sense for a public sector business case. In the community, it produces confusion.

“You go, where? I can’t see it. Where is it? It’s crazy.”

That confusion is the gap between what the procurement system rewards and what community members actually experience.

 

Don’t Reinvent the Wheel

The most impactful social value initiatives are rarely built from scratch. Local authorities and community organisations have often spent years developing programmes that address local barriers. Bolton Council’s Restart programme, Lattin notes, already supports people returning to work after long-term unemployment. The Skills Construction Centre’s Trailblazers initiative already equips young people for construction employment.

The opportunity for developers, Lattin argues, is to strengthen what already exists rather than arrive with a parallel programme designed to generate reportable outputs.

Tim’s version of this is built into Morgan Sindall Construction’s practice. He describes ten questions applied before the organisation commits to any social value activity. Does it meet a genuine community need? Does it build on something that already exists locally?

“You can put it in a dashboard and people feel good about it. And the numbers go up. And it just creates behaviours where you chase the numbers.”

Without that discipline, the temptation is to deliver what is easy to organise and easy to report.

The Three-Year Question Nobody Is Asking

Lattin contends that social value commitments are too often tied to individual project timelines, beginning and ending alongside the construction programme. Community challenges do not follow project timelines. Barriers to employment and skills are long-standing issues that require sustained engagement.

Tim’s practical proposal addresses this directly.

He would mandate a three-year post-completion evaluation: a formal requirement to return to the community three years after a project finishes and ask what has actually changed.

Not what was delivered. What changed.

The question shifts the frame from activity to consequence. It holds the delivering organisation accountable beyond the point where the project, and its reporting cycle, has ended. Morgan Sindall Construction commits a small percent of turnover to a social impact fund.

The three-year evaluation is Tim’s proposed mechanism for ensuring that investment connects to something real rather than something reportable.

 

Compassion as a Commercial Argument

Tim’s magic wand answer is unexpected. He would introduce compassion into social value delivery. Not as sentiment. As the discipline that changes how an activity is delivered, not what it delivers.

“It’s public money. That’s how it’s designed. And that’s less of an odd thing to say in a public sector or care setting. But you don’t see it on the wall of a social value thing, generally.”

The same three activities, delivered with genuine attention to the person rather than the score, produce entirely different outcomes. The how, he suggests, is where social value either becomes meaningful or stays a game.

Lattin closes her article with a similar argument. Social value should not start with a spreadsheet. It should start with a conversation between all of the partners who understand the community best.

Whether procurement frameworks can be redesigned to reward that conversation, rather than the spreadsheet that follows it, is the question the episode leaves open.

Sponsored by...

 

truMRK: Marketing and Communications You Can Trust


👉 Learn how truMRK helps organisations strengthen the credibility of their marketing and communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Join 2,500+ Leaders.

Exploring how to build trust, lead responsibly, and grow with integrity. Get the latest episodes and exclusive insights direct to your inbox.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast. All rights reserved. The Responsible Edge Podcast® is a registered trademark.

Sponsored by truMRK

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast

Trust Is Unowned. A New C-Suite Role May Not Fix That.

Episode 173 | 17.8.2026

Trust Is Unowned. A New C-Suite Role May Not Fix That.

Matt Bourn agrees with the Fortune article’s diagnosis of the trust problem. He disagrees with the prescription, and notes who wrote it.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

Edelman Makes the Case. The Interest Is Worth Noting.

A May 2026 Fortune article by Jonathan Jordan, Edelman’s U.S. Head of Corporate Reputation, argues that trust has become one of the most important assets a company holds, but sits unowned across most organisations. Responsibility, the article contends, is fragmented across communications, legal, compliance, HR, government affairs, and security, each operating with different incentives and time horizons. The result, in Jordan’s framing, is inconsistency between what companies say, what they do, and how stakeholders experience them.

The proposed solution is a Chief Trust Officer: a dedicated C-suite executive whose sole mandate is earning and protecting stakeholder confidence.

The article is persuasive and its evidence is grounded in Edelman’s own research. It is also written by a senior figure at a firm whose commercial model depends on selling trust-related services to corporations. That context does not invalidate the argument. It is worth holding in mind.

Matt Bourn read it when it first appeared in late May. His reaction was immediate, then revised on reflection.

Thirty Years Communicating for an Industry That Runs on Credibility

Matt Bourn is Director of Communications at the Advertising Association, where he leads the public narrative for the UK’s fifty billion pound advertising industry. He co-authored Trusted Advertising and Sustainable Advertising, both published by Kogan Page, and has spent thirty years working across public policy, commercial economics, and reputation management. He also works closely with the UK advertising industry’s think-tank, Credos, which tracks public trust in advertising on an ongoing basis for the Advertising Association.

His position inside this debate is specific: he has been building the evidence base for trust as a commercial driver, and he has been measuring the gap between what the industry claims and what it delivers.

 

The Distinction Jordan Gets Right: Reputation Is Not Trust

The Fortune article draws a distinction that Matt considers one of its most valuable contributions. Reputation, Jordan argues, is how a crowd feels about you at a given moment. Trust looks forward. It reflects confidence in how a company will behave tomorrow. It is the reason someone takes a chance, stays, and recommends.

Matt endorses this framing without reservation. “There’s a huge difference between being liked and being trusted.”

His own research has found that most companies, when asked whether trust matters, say yes without hesitation. When asked how they measure it, they point to brand awareness, saliency, share of voice, favourability. None of those metrics capture forward-looking confidence. The closest proxy Matt has encountered is the Net Promoter Score: the likelihood of a customer recommending the business to someone they care about.

That act of recommendation, he argues, is a genuine expression of trust rather than merely of satisfaction.

His working example is giffgaff, the mobile provider, which refers to its customers as members and derives one in five new business leads from friend and family referrals. That twenty percent figure represents trust converted directly into commercial growth.

 

Where the Article Gets the Problem Right and the Solution Wrong

The Fortune article’s structural diagnosis is, in Matt’s reading, largely accurate. The Edelman Trust Barometer research it cites suggests that sixty-one percent of people globally now hold a grievance mindset, believing institutions serve narrow interests while making their lives harder. Seven in ten people worldwide are described by Edelman researchers as having an insular trust mindset, reluctant to extend confidence to those outside their immediate circle. Among multinationals, the research identifies a thirty-one point gap in Canada, twenty-nine points in Germany, and twenty-nine in Japan between trust in domestic companies versus foreign ones.

These findings, if they hold, describe a structural problem, not a communications one. Trust is fragmenting. The localisation of confidence creates specific exposure for any organisation operating across geographies.

Where Matt diverges is on the proposed remedy. Creating a Chief Trust Officer concentrates accountability for trust in a single executive. His counter-argument is that this misunderstands the nature of the problem.

“I would push back on the reality of it. The leadership team has a collective responsibility to make sure it’s the most trusted business in its sector. And that’s across everything that it does.”

Trust that sits in a dedicated role is trust that the rest of the C-suite has been relieved of managing. The very diffusion Jordan identifies as the problem, responsibility spread across multiple functions, is not solved by adding a new function. It may simply give each existing function a reason to defer.

From the Attention Economy to the Trust Economy

The broader argument Matt draws from his own research and the Trusted Advertising book is about a structural economic shift. The attention economy, as he describes it, was built on acquiring attention at the lowest possible cost per acquisition. The trust economy, which he argues is emerging to replace it, is built on winning customers through the confidence they have in a brand relative to its competitors.

“Get trust on the plan. When you’re thinking about your next advertising campaign, trust should be in the brief. We want to be trusted for this. That’s the promise we’re making.”

The practical implication is that trust is not a function to be owned by one executive. It is a discipline to be embedded in every commercial decision. The giffgaff example is, in his framing, what the trust economy looks like in operation: a brand so trusted by its members that acquisition becomes self-sustaining.

 

Self-Regulation Over a New Title

Matt’s magic wand answer is, characteristically, structural rather than personal. He would not create a new C-suite role. He would invest in the strongest possible self-regulatory framework the advertising and communications industry can build.

“I would encourage everyone to really understand and support and invest in the strongest self-regulation that we could find. Not just the ASA, but setting the standards. Because governments have so many problems to deal with that we as an industry should be capable of delivering brilliant, responsible advertising ourselves.”

The argument connects to the Fortune article’s third claim: that staying silent on societal issues is, according to Edelman research, interpreted by fifty-three percent of consumers as concealment, and that seventy-three percent say a brand reflecting the culture around it builds more trust than one that ignores culture.

Matt’s version of that insight is more focused. An industry that self-regulates effectively demonstrates trust through its structure, not through its communications. A Chief Trust Officer cannot substitute for the credibility that comes from a sector holding itself to account.

The episode’s open question, left without resolution, is whether self-regulation is sufficient in an environment where Edelman’s own research suggests institutional trust is in structural decline.

Sponsored by...

 

truMRK: Marketing and Communications You Can Trust


👉 Learn how truMRK helps organisations strengthen the credibility of their marketing and communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Join 2,500+ Leaders.

Exploring how to build trust, lead responsibly, and grow with integrity. Get the latest episodes and exclusive insights direct to your inbox.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast. All rights reserved. The Responsible Edge Podcast® is a registered trademark.

Sponsored by truMRK

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast

The CMO Trade-Off: Short-Term Credibility, Long-Term Cost

Episode 172 | 10.8.2026

The CMO Trade-Off: Short-Term Credibility, Long-Term Cost

Dr Leeya Hendricks argues that CMOs are not being pushed into short-term thinking. They are choosing it, and that choice has consequences the Lippincott data makes visible.

Listen to the full podcast episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

What Five Hundred CMOs Said, and What They Are Actually Doing

A global study of more than five hundred marketing leaders, conducted by Lippincott in partnership with Bloomberg Media, finds a gap that is remarkable in its consistency.

CMOs believe long-term brand building is critical for sustainable growth. They are systematically deprioritising it anyway.

The mechanism is not mysterious. CMOs have earned greater organisational influence by becoming fluent in the language of the C-suite: performance metrics, quarterly targets, demonstrable commercial outcomes. The cost of that fluency is time and budget taken from brand building, customer experience investment, and cultural relevance work. Seventy-nine percent of respondents say bureaucracy getting in the way of decision-making is common. Only forty-eight percent believe marketing gets sufficient credit for its contribution to business growth. Only forty-three percent think marketing metrics are understood or valued outside the marketing function.

The data paints a function under significant pressure. Dr Leeya Hendricks’ reading of it is characteristically direct.

Three CMO Roles, a PhD, and a Book That Arrived at the Right Moment

Dr Leeya Hendricks has held CMO roles at Prytek, Delta Capita and Rimm, and senior marketing leadership roles at Oracle, IBM, Accenture and Gartner, among others. She is now Managing Director and Founder of Hark Consultants, a strategic growth advisory firm. She is a Non-Executive Director on the CIM Board, an adjunct professor at Management Center Innsbruck, and the author of The Platform Playbook, published by Palgrave Macmillan in January 2026. Her PhD, completed at Antwerp Management School and MCI Innsbruck, focused on B2B platform ecosystems and value co-creation.

She arrived at sustainability marketing through a specific angle: the question of how organisations create value that persists rather than value that reports well in the next quarter.

That question sits at the centre of the Lippincott study and at the centre of the episode.

 

Flip the Frame: This Is Not Something Being Done to CMOs

Leeya’s first intervention is a reframe. The study’s headline finding, that CMOs are being pushed into short-term thinking by boards and executive pressure, is real. Her response is to resist the passive framing.

“It shouldn’t be a case of us being forced into a space. It’s the job of the CMO to really have those strategic long-term discussions, saying this is the value that we bring.”

Her argument is that the short-term drift is partly a failure of the marketing function to make its strategic case with sufficient rigour. CMOs who allow quarterly metrics to define the terms of their engagement with the C-suite have, in effect, accepted a narrower mandate than their role requires.

The Lippincott finding that only forty-eight percent of CMOs believe marketing gets sufficient credit for its contribution is read by Leeya not as a structural injustice but as a demonstration that the case is not being made well enough.

That is a demanding position. It is also an empowering one.

 

The AI Trap Nobody Is Naming

The Lippincott study surfaces a specific and underreported problem. CMOs are racing to invest in AI tools and technology. Simultaneously, many are cutting budgets for the digital foundations AI depends on: web experience, content architecture, data quality, thought leadership. The infrastructure that determines how AI understands, surfaces, and represents a brand is being defunded to pay for the AI implementation it is supposed to support.

Leeya’s response to this is pointed. “AI is no longer the headline act. It’s becoming the operating environment.”

The question, she argues, is not whether to adopt AI. It is whether organisations understand what AI adoption actually requires. A brand that neglects its content architecture and digital foundations while investing heavily in AI tools is building on sand.

She draws an analogy to the legal sector. Firms like Harvey are not disrupting law because they have AI.

“They’ve fundamentally rethought how value is created.”

The technology is instrumental. The strategic redesign is the work. “That’s a strategy conversation, not a technology conversation.”

Whether Boards Are Ready Is the Harder Question

Leeya’s deepest challenge to the Lippincott findings is not about CMOs at all. It is about boards.

“The question isn’t simply whether marketers should be in the boardroom. It’s whether boards have the capabilities needed to lead organisations in an AI-enabled economy.”

If marketing is being squeezed into short-term thinking by board-level pressure for quarterly performance, and if boards lack the capability to evaluate what AI-enabled long-term strategy requires, then the problem is not a marketing problem. It is a governance problem.

The CMO trade-off described by the Lippincott study is a symptom of something upstream.

Only fourteen percent of CMOs in the study say they are confident their organisation is prepared for impending challenges. That number sits alongside the eighty-three percent who describe their company’s growth trajectory as positive. The gap between those two figures is where the real risk lives.

 

Responsible Growth Is Not About Sacrifice

Leeya’s magic wand answer returns to the foundational question the episode orbits. She would change how organisations define and measure value, moving beyond quarterly performance to a model that captures long-term outcomes across customers, employees, partners, society, and shareholders.

“Responsible growth isn’t about sacrificing commercial performance. It’s about creating businesses that can sustain it.”

The Lippincott data suggests the gap between that aspiration and operational reality is widening. CMOs know what long-term value requires. The conditions in which they operate are pulling in the opposite direction. Whether those conditions change, or whether marketing leaders find ways to change the terms of the conversation, is the question the episode leaves intact.

Sponsored by...

 

truMRK: Marketing and Communications You Can Trust


👉 Learn how truMRK helps organisations strengthen the credibility of their marketing and communications.

Want to be a guest on our show?

Contact Us.

The Responsible Edge Podcast
Queensgate House
48 Queen Street
Exeter
Devon
EX4 3SR

Join 2,500+ Leaders.

Exploring how to build trust, lead responsibly, and grow with integrity. Get the latest episodes and exclusive insights direct to your inbox.

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast. All rights reserved. The Responsible Edge Podcast® is a registered trademark.

Sponsored by truMRK

© 2026. The Responsible Edge Podcast