Building Green from the Ground Up: Closing the Skills Gap

Episode 49 | 08.11.2024

Building Green from the Ground Up: Closing the Skills Gap

In this episode, Amanda Williams, Head of Environmental Sustainability at The Chartered Institute of Building (CIOB), explores the urgent need to bridge the green skills gap within the construction industry. Amanda discusses how achieving net-zero targets requires sustainability competencies not only in specialised roles but across every area of the sector.

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In the quest to achieve net-zero targets, the construction industry faces a unique challenge—the urgent need to bridge the green skills gap. Amanda Williams, the Head of Environmental Sustainability at the Chartered Institute of Building (CIOB), sheds light on this critical issue. Her insights underscore the importance of embedding sustainability competencies into every role within the sector, not just specialised green jobs. Drawing on her extensive experience, Amanda shares how the construction industry can cultivate a workforce capable of building a greener future.

From her early years growing up on a family farm to her career spanning academia, corporate roles, and policy work, Amanda’s journey reflects a lifelong commitment to environmental stewardship. Her role at CIOB allows her to drive change on an industry-wide level, providing her with what she calls “an enormous potential impact” through CIOB’s network of 50,000 professionals globally. She is passionate about ensuring that the construction sector remains resilient, sustainable, and inclusive, urging everyone within the industry to engage in sustainability efforts.

 

The Green Skills Gap: More Than Just Green Jobs

For Amanda, the green skills gap extends far beyond the creation of specialised roles such as retrofit coordinators or biodiversity specialists. She argues that true sustainability in construction will only be achieved when green skills are embedded across all roles in the industry.

“Sustainability needs to be in everyone’s job description, not just reserved for specialists,”

Amanda emphasises .

The challenge, as Amanda explains, is twofold. First, the industry faces a shortage of workers with the necessary technical skills to perform green jobs. Second, there is a need for individuals in traditional roles—plumbers, electricians, builders, and project managers—to develop competencies in sustainable practices. “We also need people in existing trades to have those green skills as well,” Amanda notes, explaining that these workers will need new skills and knowledge to adapt to sustainable materials, modern construction methods, and energy-efficient retrofitting .

 

Breaking Down the Barriers to Sustainability Skills

Amanda identifies several barriers that have contributed to the green skills gap, particularly within construction. These include insufficient investment in green skills training, a lack of awareness and interest in green jobs, and misconceptions about the industry. Additionally, Amanda points to a cultural challenge: many workers feel that green skills are not relevant to their current roles. Changing this mindset, she believes, is essential.

“Underinvestment in green skills has held the industry back,” Amanda asserts. Many educational institutions and training programmes have been slow to prioritise sustainability education, and industry recruiters often overlook green skills in their hiring criteria. As Amanda puts it,

“we can’t rely on sustainability practitioners to solve this for us operating in silos; it has to be embedded in everything we do, in all our processes, and in everybody’s roles” .

 

Flexible and Accessible Training for a Diverse Workforce

Amanda advocates for a collaborative approach to closing the green skills gap, calling on the government, educational institutions, and industry stakeholders to support flexible training solutions. One proposal she highlights is a government-funded “Green Skills Fund” that would make training more accessible and affordable. Such a fund, Amanda explains, could cover apprenticeships, upskilling for existing workers, and new green certifications.

Amanda envisions a training ecosystem that accommodates different learning styles and schedules, with options ranging from virtual classes and on-the-job training to flexible, hands-on learning experiences. “We need to think about…scaling up capacity, but also making training accessible to people in existing trades, not just new entrants,” Amanda explains, underscoring the importance of reaching those already in full-time roles who may want to add green skills to their repertoire .

She also believes that industry leaders should partner with professional institutions, such as CIOB, to integrate green competencies into ongoing professional development. As Amanda notes, membership in a professional institution like the Institute of Environmental Management and Assessment has been instrumental in her own career progression, offering both technical training and the opportunity to build transferable skills like critical thinking and leadership.

 

Empowering the Workforce to Tackle Real-World Sustainability Challenges

Amanda’s role at CIOB allows her to influence sustainability across the construction industry in a way she has not experienced in previous roles. Unlike her former positions, where she focused on reducing the environmental impact of a single organisation, her current role emphasises industry-wide change. She collaborates with CIOB’s various directorates, including membership, communications, and policy teams, to support professionals in integrating sustainability into their work.

Through CIOB’s Continuing Professional Development (CPD) offerings, Amanda and her team provide industry members with resources and training to help them navigate the green transition. “Our members are working in all corners of the built environment,” she explains, noting that the organisation’s broad reach enables it to drive change on a large scale. “The potential impact is huge,” Amanda says, expressing her commitment to ensuring that sustainability becomes a central consideration in every aspect of the industry  .

 

The Social Responsibility of the Construction Industry

A recurring theme in Amanda’s insights is the idea of social responsibility within the construction industry. For Amanda, bridging the green skills gap offers an opportunity not only to meet net-zero targets but also to foster a “just transition” for workers transitioning from high-carbon industries, such as oil and gas. “The construction industry could be a receiver industry for those workers, which would help close the skills gap and secure a just transition,” she remarks .

Amanda also highlights the need to address the gender gap and broader diversity issues within the sustainability and construction sectors. She points out that the industry has traditionally struggled with an “image problem,” which has deterred many young people, particularly women, from considering careers in construction.

“There is a shortage of women interested in green-skilled jobs within the built environment,”

she notes, adding that a key solution lies in rebranding green skills as universal skills relevant to all roles and industries.

 

From Technical Skills to Systems Thinking: A Holistic Approach to Sustainability

Beyond technical training, Amanda stresses the importance of what she calls “systems thinking” in sustainability. She believes that addressing the green skills gap will require construction professionals to develop a holistic understanding of how their roles fit into the broader environmental picture. This type of thinking, she explains, will help the industry avoid unintended consequences, such as those that arise when a poorly planned retrofit inadvertently causes moisture damage to older buildings.

Amanda believes that systems thinking should be central to any green skills training, enabling professionals to look beyond the immediate tasks at hand and consider the long-term impacts of their work. “Sustainability issues are complex and cut across disciplines,” she remarks, “and systems thinking helps us look at the big picture” .

 

A Call to Action: Closing the Green Skills Gap

For Amanda, closing the green skills gap is not just about upskilling individuals; it’s about transforming the construction sector into a sustainable and resilient industry. She believes that industry leaders, educational institutions, and government entities must work together to build a pipeline of green talent. “We need to acknowledge just how critical it is that we address it,” she says, highlighting the urgency of training skilled professionals to retrofit existing buildings and meet climate goals.

The construction industry, responsible for nearly 40% of global emissions, plays a pivotal role in the green transition. As Amanda points out, 80% of the buildings used today will still be in use by 2050, making retrofitting essential to achieving net-zero targets.

“Failure to deliver a large-scale programme of retrofit for existing buildings is going to put net-zero targets at risk,”

she warns, underscoring the high stakes involved .

Amanda’s message is clear: sustainability in construction is not optional. The industry must act swiftly to develop green skills across the board, empowering every worker to contribute to a sustainable future. “It’s not just a huge challenge; it’s also an opportunity,” she concludes, calling on everyone within the construction industry to embrace sustainability as a collective responsibility.

 

Final Reflections: A Vision for the Future

Reflecting on her career, Amanda expresses both hope and urgency for the future of sustainability in construction. Her vision is one where green skills are woven into the fabric of the industry, allowing construction professionals to make a positive impact on the environment. “I hope that by the end of my career, I’ll see a genuine shift—a built environment that values sustainability as core to every role,” she shares, adding that every small step contributes to a larger movement towards a greener future .

Amanda’s insights serve as a rallying call for the construction industry to build a resilient, sustainable, and inclusive workforce equipped to tackle the complex challenges of the 21st century. Through her work at CIOB, she is paving the way for a future where green skills are no longer a speciality, but a standard across the industry.

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A Sustainable Foundation: How One Property Firm Leads by Example

Episode 48 | 05.11.2024

A Sustainable Foundation: How One Property Firm Leads by Example

In this episode, Tom Roundell Greene, Partner and Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas, shares insights on embedding sustainability into core business strategies within the property sector. Drawing from his experience at JLL and Carter Jonas, Tom discusses the shift from compliance-driven approaches to meaningful, value-focused sustainability efforts.

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In a world where environmental responsibility is increasingly scrutinised, sustainability is no longer an optional add-on for businesses but an integral part of corporate strategy. Tom Roundell Greene, Partner and Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas, embodies this shift. With a career shaped by experiences in both the UK government and global real estate firm JLL, Tom brings a unique perspective to the sustainability conversation. In a recent discussion, Tom shared how he’s working to make sustainability a core business principle at Carter Jonas and offered insights into how companies can embrace long-term environmental strategies while delivering value.

Tom’s journey into sustainability began with a desire to “be part of shaping a better world.” Studying philosophy at university, he was deeply affected by world events such as 9/11, which shifted his view on global issues and inspired him to pursue a role in public service. He began his career in the UK Cabinet Office, eventually focusing on sustainable development, a field he describes as “the practical application of philosophy.” However, he soon became frustrated with the “short-term thinking” that can be a hallmark of political cycles. After more than a decade in government, he transitioned to the private sector, joining JLL, where he discovered new opportunities to effect change.

 

A Fresh Approach at Carter Jonas

Since joining Carter Jonas, a multidisciplinary property firm operating across the UK, Tom has continued to push the boundaries of what sustainability can mean in the business context. For Tom, sustainability is not merely a regulatory requirement but “about better ways of doing things,” a principle that is reflected in his work to embed long-term, client-focused strategies into the heart of Carter Jonas.

At Carter Jonas, Tom is leading the firm’s sustainability initiatives within a flexible business structure as an LLP (Limited Liability Partnership). Unlike publicly listed companies, LLPs are less constrained by the immediate demands of shareholders, allowing Carter Jonas to set ambitious, long-term goals that resonate with its core values. “Our aim is to be ambitious for ourselves and our stakeholders,” Tom explained, “without trying to boil the ocean in terms of compliance with standards and frameworks.” This focus allows Carter Jonas to develop a sustainability strategy tailored to the unique needs of its diverse clients, which span from country estates to commercial infrastructure projects.

 

Balancing Compliance and Strategic Goals

A central challenge in Tom’s role is navigating the tension between compliance-focused sustainability efforts and proactive, innovation-led approaches. While data collection and ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) reporting are essential for transparency, he stresses that businesses should not see these as the final goal. “If you treat sustainability as only a compliance issue, you miss its true value,” Tom noted. He believes compliance should be seen as the “minimum mandatory” rather than the ultimate aim. For Tom, sustainability should align with an organisation’s long-term goals, influencing decision-making at every level of the business.

In today’s business environment, sustainability reporting frameworks can be challenging, especially as they continue to evolve. Referring to his experience at JLL, Tom recalled, “The ESG reporting ecosystem… sets a very clear set of expectations for what good looks like.” However, he argues that while these standards are essential, they can sometimes overshadow other aspects of sustainability.

“You can spend huge amounts of time trying to finesse your data collection systems and reporting… to the detriment of actually just getting on and doing stuff.”

 

Collaboration and Partnerships: The Key to Success

One of Tom’s core philosophies is the importance of collaboration, both within the company and with external partners. At Carter Jonas, this has led to initiatives like a recent research collaboration with University College London, which explored the ‘green premium’ for commercial buildings. Tom believes that partnerships with academic institutions provide valuable analytical perspectives that can drive forward-thinking strategies. “Coming together with academic institutions… brings fresh perspectives and analytical rigour,” he explained.

For Tom, collaboration also extends to Carter Jonas’ clients and peers within the property industry. The firm is actively engaged in industry-wide efforts to set standards, such as the recently launched Net Zero Carbon Building Standard. By participating in these collaborative efforts, Carter Jonas can align its own operations with best practices while supporting broader industry goals. “Consistency and standards are crucial,” he remarked, highlighting the importance of shared expectations in driving change across the sector.

 

The Data Dilemma: A Necessary Foundation for Progress

Data is an essential component of sustainability reporting, but it can also be a double-edged sword. For Tom, the challenge lies in gathering the right data without becoming overwhelmed by the process. “Data collection is fundamental, but it’s easy to get completely hung up on it,” he observed. In his view, data should serve as a foundation for action rather than as an end in itself. At Carter Jonas, the focus is on collecting meaningful data that reflects the company’s most significant sustainability impacts.

A recent initiative involved calculating Carter Jonas’ scope 3 emissions—those associated with the goods and services it purchases. This complex undertaking was a significant step toward understanding the company’s broader environmental footprint. “We’ve now calculated the footprint associated with the goods and services that we’re buying… but that’s only day one,” Tom explained.

“You’ve got the information—now, how do you make sense of it and operationalise it to create positive change?”

Tom is also pragmatic about the challenges of influencing change within a large organisation. He recognises that resistance to change is natural and emphasises the importance of building relationships and communicating effectively. “People don’t like change; they don’t like to have to adapt necessarily,” he acknowledged. His approach is to present sustainability as a benefit, not just for the company but also for individual employees. By showing how sustainability initiatives align with both client demands and broader industry trends, he hopes to engage colleagues in the long-term vision.

 

Building a Sustainable Future in Real Estate

Tom’s role as Head of Sustainability at Carter Jonas highlights the unique challenges and opportunities that arise when working to embed sustainability within the real estate sector. The property industry has a profound impact on the environment, and clients are increasingly concerned about energy efficiency, emissions, and sustainable development. Tom is optimistic about the sector’s potential to make a positive impact, citing increased regulatory pressures and client demand as drivers of change. “Our clients are proactively coming and speaking to colleagues about [sustainability],” he noted, adding that Carter Jonas’ work often involves helping clients navigate these new demands.

An example of Tom’s innovative approach to sustainability is the firm’s commitment to aligning certain financial mechanisms with environmental targets. At JLL, he pioneered an initiative that linked elements of the company’s net-zero goals to borrowing rates. This approach directly connected sustainability performance with financial incentives, providing a tangible example of how sustainability can create value. Reflecting on this experience, he said,

“It has a direct financial bearing on the operation of the business, putting the right incentives in place to drive change.”

At Carter Jonas, Tom is working to replicate similar approaches that tie sustainability directly into the company’s operational framework. He believes that, over time, such initiatives can help transform not only Carter Jonas but also the industry as a whole. “We’re changing paradigms,” he remarked, underscoring his belief in the power of incremental change.

 

A Vision for the Future

Looking to the future, Tom hopes that his work will contribute to a broader shift in how businesses approach sustainability. He envisions a time when sustainability is fully integrated into the fabric of corporate strategy, where it is seen not as an obligation but as a fundamental value. His approach, rooted in long-term thinking and collaboration, offers a roadmap for other organisations seeking to follow a similar path.

When asked about the legacy he hopes to leave, Tom’s response is characteristically humble. “I’m not trying to suggest I’m changing the world,” he said, “but I like to think that all of these things… are contributing to creating this change.” His words capture the essence of his work: small, meaningful steps toward a sustainable future that, when taken together, form a powerful collective movement.

 

Conclusion

Tom Roundell Greene’s work at Carter Jonas offers a compelling example of how sustainability can be woven into the core of business strategy. From data collection and compliance to strategic partnerships and long-term goal-setting, his approach demonstrates the potential for sustainability to create value not only for the company but also for its clients and stakeholders. As he puts it, “Making progress with sustainability is not about having all the answers but about aligning decisions with our core purpose and allowing space for experimentation.”

In an industry often characterised by short-termism and compliance-driven approaches, Tom’s vision stands out. By embracing sustainability as a core value, Carter Jonas is setting a new standard in the property sector—a model of how companies can build a sustainable future by doing things better, together.

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Rewiring Business: The Power of Thinking Differently for Real Impact

Episode 47 | 30.10.2024

Rewiring Business: The Power of Thinking Differently for Real Impact

In this episode, sustainability strategist and systems thinker Louisa Harris shares her insights on how purpose-driven business are reimagining narratives to transform strategy, drive innovation and deliver impact. Drawing from her experience as a tutor for the Cambridge Institute of Sustainable Leadership and Head of Sustainability and Systems Change at Brandpie, Louisa discusses the importance of courageous leadership, thinking differently, and making sustainability part of everyone’s role.

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In a decade where business has a critical role to play in accelerating sustainable action, they are also being called upon to demonstrate real impact. The challenge for many lies in moving beyond well-meaning messaging, or worse, purpose washing; to becoming an engine for change. Harris has been at the forefront of this shift, advising companies on how to integrate purpose authentically at every level of their operations.

In a recent conversation, Louisa shared her journey from climate activism to corporate advocacy. She explores how leading businesses think of purpose as more than a marketing narrative, embracing it as a holistic guiding principle that drives strategy, employee action and innovation, and ultimately sustainable impact. Ultimately, she has found that her role in making change happen is anchored in the power of thinking differently. “It’s taken a while for me appreciate that one of the greatest skills I have is being a weird, hybrid thinker who can design pragmatic pathways for change,” Louisa explains, “and that this can be the spark for shifting perspectives and being a catalyst for other people’s innovations.” It’s this philosophy of empowering others that underscores her approach, combining systems thinking and leadership to foster meaningful change across organisations.

 

From Climate Activism to Corporate Responsibility

Louisa’s journey into sustainability did not follow the typical path. Born and raised in London, she developed a connection to nature and sustainability in a roundabout way. Reflecting on her early years, Louisa shares, “I think to me, that proximity to nature, the anchoring and being somewhere a little bit quiet, is a huge part of who I am today,” though her connection to environmental issues truly deepened during university, influenced by climate activists and her participation in environmental protests. This background laid the groundwork for her understanding of the complexities and compromises involved in corporate responsibility.

Louisa’s transition into the business world came after a period of introspection and exploration. After working in an accounting firm, she was tasked with creating a sustainability service line—a radical move at a time when corporate sustainability was barely in its infancy. Recalling this experience, she explains, “It was a time when clients weren’t necessarily coming to us for this work. We had to help them see the potential of sustainability beyond compliance.” This early work shaped her understanding of how sustainability can be woven into the fabric of an organisation, rather than seen as an add-on or an obligation.

 

Embracing Purpose as a Core Business Strategy

Louisa advocates for a purpose-driven business model, where sustainability and responsibility are integrated into the core strategy rather than siloed or relegated to a single department. According to her,

“Purpose has to go beyond brand strategy… It should serve as a North Star, guiding a company’s actions, advocacy, and a catalyst for culture, innovation and systems change.”

In her view, purpose should not be a retrofitted element of an organisation’s identity but rather an evolving framework that drives meaningful decisions at every level.

Her experience with Brandpie and other consultancies has underscored the importance of embedding purpose authentically into the company culture. She explains that successful purpose-driven organisations approach purpose as a continuous journey, rather than a checkbox to be ticked. “When we see every employee as a designer of sustainable practices,” Louisa asserts, “we unlock collective potential.” In this way, Louisa emphasises the importance of cultivating an environment where every employee feel they have a role to play in driving sustainability, regardless of their official job title.

 

The “Purpose Dividend” and a New Way Forward

One of the key insights Louisa shared was the importance of business asking themselves “who is it that their purpose should serve?” and thinking more systemically about how they can use their platform for good. She references a UK study, The Purpose Dividend, which gives a powerful business case for how purpose-driven businesses contribute to broader economic and societal growth. The findings indicate that businesses committed to purpose not only foster innovation but also drive employee satisfaction and economic development.

However, Louisa acknowledges the challenges many organisations face in implementing purpose-led strategies and sustainability initiatives. She points to an industry-wide imbalance between innovation and reporting, noting that “ according to an IBM study, companies today spend 43 times more on reporting than on research and development,” a statistic she finds both unsurprising and disappointing. Compliance and reporting rightly are a huge focus for sustainability leaders, both in terms of time and budget. However, she argues, with limited resources this can often be instead of investing in creativity and innovation—the very ingredients necessary to address complex sustainability challenges.

Louisa’s solution to this issue is to take the time to embed sustainability and purpose into everyone’s role. fostering an imaginative, innovative culture.

“It’s about being willing to experiment,”

she says, urging businesses to cultivate a space where new ideas can flourish without fear of failure. For Louisa, rethinking corporate responsibility involves acknowledging that “crisis of imagination”— fire-fighting and mounting risks can be paralyzing. On a more fundamental level, despite all the science and targets we have to work towards, imagining how a more sustainable, equitable future will run in reality is a big leap for our imaginations, and one people really struggle with. By encouraging companies to “reimagine what is possible,” Louisa believes they can unlock new pathways to impact.

 

Building Capacity for Courageous Leadership

At the heart of Louisa’s vision for corporate sustainability is the idea of courageous leadership.

“It’s often a tiny percentage of an organisation, maybe 1 -5%, who think of sustainability as part of their role. Yet making change happen will need everyone, and skills from every function as well as the sustainability ream.

Louisa explains.

This emphasis on collective responsibility and therefore collective impact is part of Louisa’s broader approach, which she refers to as “systems change.” She advocates for equipping employees with the knowledge and skills necessary to integrate sustainability into their daily work, regardless of their department, where everyone can see themselves as a designer and innovator. “You’re designing your day, your service lines, your organisation’s structure,” Louisa says, highlighting how viewing every individual as a “designer” can transform how sustainability is embedded into an organisation’s DNA.

To foster this mindset, Louisa suggests creating opportunities for employees to engage with sustainability outside of their traditional roles. She believes this not only boosts morale but also strengthens the company’s sustainability efforts. “Purpose isn’t about a small team doing good on the side,” she insists. Instead, it’s about fostering a culture where sustainable thinking is the norm, not the exception.

 

Moving Beyond Compliance: The Role of Innovation and Advocacy

For Louisa, authentic purpose is far more than words and a meaningful sustainability strategy is more than just meeting compliance standards—it’s about rethinking the role of business in society. She encourages companies to take a more active role in advocacy, using their influence to drive systemic change at an industry level.

“Purpose should serve as a North Star, not only guiding internal policies but also shaping the organisation’s role in the broader ecosystem,”

she says.

Louisa’s advocacy-oriented approach calls on businesses to partner with industry groups, governments, and NGOs to tackle large-scale issues. For example, she points to coalitions in the banking and beauty industries that have come together to address challenges like net-zero emissions and sustainable sourcing. “Find the problems that you can’t solve alone, and work with others to shift the dial,” she advises. This collaborative, problem-solving approach is, in Louisa’s view, essential for making a lasting impact.

 

Creating a Legacy of Meaningful Impact

This podcast was recorded just as Louisa has founded her new project Curiously Liminal, focusing on activating courageous leadership, collective impact and systems innovation. Doing so is part of a moment’s pause and inquiry into where she can make the most impact. When asked what she would like to look back on and say her legacy has been she says: “I want to be able to look back and know that the interventions I chose to spend my time on in this critical decade, really did made a difference.” Her goal, she explains, is not just to help companies implement sustainable practices but to create a lasting culture of curiosity, courage, and collaboration.

In her view, this is the real promise of purpose-driven business—a way to align business strategy and skills with the pressing needs of society. Louisa’s message to organisations is simple: purpose is not a destination but a journey, one that requires constant adaptation, engagement, and a willingness to challenge the status quo.

As companies continue to navigate the evolving landscape of responsible business, Louisa’s insights offer a blueprint for those committed to making a genuine impact. By embracing purpose in your core business strategy as an engine for innovation , fostering a culture of courageous leadership, and prioritising collaboration over competition, businesses have the power to become agents of positive change in a world that urgently needs it.

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Truth in the Age of AI: Fighting Climate Misinformation with Conscious Advertising

Episode 46 | 28.10.2024

Truth in the Age of AI: Fighting Climate Misinformation with Conscious Advertising

In this episode, Harriet Kingaby, co-founder of the Conscious Advertising Network, delves into the ethical challenges AI brings to climate communication. She explores how AI-driven tools can fuel climate misinformation and the pivotal role advertisers play in fostering responsible narratives. Harriet shares insights on reaching “persuadable” audiences and offers practical strategies for brands to promote transparency and truth in today’s digital landscape.

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In an era where AI has the potential to drive social change or exacerbate misinformation, the advertising industry finds itself at a pivotal juncture. Harriet Kingaby, co-founder of the Conscious Advertising Network (CAN), is at the forefront of advocating for ethical advertising that can reshape climate communication. Harriet’s journey, which began with a fascination for the environment, has evolved into a career dedicated to responsible messaging within the digital age. Her work with CAN highlights the critical role advertisers play in an age where AI can both spread and prevent climate misinformation.

During a recent podcast discussion, Harriet shared insights on how CAN is addressing the ethical complexities of climate communication, especially as AI technologies continue to disrupt the media landscape. She touched on the ethical concerns posed by AI, the need for responsible storytelling, and how CAN is helping advertisers use their influence to foster truthful and impactful climate discourse. Harriet’s perspective is grounded in the reality that AI, while transformative, has the potential to destabilise the very platforms it seeks to enhance if not used responsibly.

 

AI’s Double-Edged Sword: Democratising Misinformation

AI technologies like ChatGPT, Bard, and other generative models have revolutionised the ability to create realistic, human-sounding content at unprecedented scale and speed. However, this accessibility has significant drawbacks, particularly when it comes to spreading misinformation. Harriet shared that CAN recognises how AI can “democratise the production of mis- and disinformation,” enabling malicious actors to generate misleading narratives quickly and effectively. “It makes it easy to create and distribute misinformation across platforms,” she noted, underscoring the potential for AI to amplify climate misinformation in ways that traditional media never could.

Climate misinformation remains a pressing issue in AI-generated content, as such tools are often trained on unregulated data sources that may include biased or false information. AI systems are adept at producing content that emotionally resonates with audiences, which makes them especially dangerous when used to manipulate opinions. “Misinformation is engaging content,” Harriet explained.

“It plays on our emotions and fuels viral spreads, which means that harmful climate messages can circulate widely before anyone has a chance to counter them”.

 

Reaching the “Persuadables”: The Power of Relatable Climate Narratives

Harriet believes that sustainable brands and the climate movement should be engaging the “persuadables”—the middle-ground audience who may not be fully aligned with environmental activism or denialism but are open to climate-friendly messaging. She knows how effective this approach can be from her work at Media Bounty and ACT Climate Labs.

“Businesses often overlook persuadables, focusing on preaching to their supporters or responding to detractors, but they miss the chance to reach people who can be swayed by accessible, relatable information”.

Harriet advocates for communication that is straightforward and ties into familiar values, such as family, community, and financial security. Instead of scientific jargon or confrontational tactics, encouraging a narrative that makes climate action personally relevant. For instance, Harriet suggests highlighting the economic benefits of renewable energy rather than framing it solely as a climate issue. “We can talk about wind turbines as a boon for local economies, like the new shipbuilding for our area,” she said, offering a model for how organisations can connect climate solutions to everyday concerns.

Harriet’s approach is focused on crafting messages that resonate with individuals’ lived experiences, especially when communicating complex issues like climate change. This targeted messaging, Harriet believes, can be more effective in bridging gaps in climate awareness, especially in a media landscape dominated by fragmented perspectives.

 

CAN’s Mission: Building an Ethical Framework for Advertising

CAN, which Harriet co-founded, brings together over 180 organisations in a mission to break the economic ties between advertising and harmful content. Their goal is straightforward yet impactful: prevent advertising dollars from funding misinformation, hate speech, or low-quality content. As Harriet puts it, CAN is focused on “promoting advertising as a cultural force for good” and empowering advertisers to make choices that support responsible media .

CAN’s initiatives guide brands to consider the ethical implications of their advertising placements, from avoiding platforms known for misinformation to supporting high-quality journalism. “Brands have the power to decide where their ads appear, and with that comes the responsibility to avoid funding harmful content,” Harriet emphasised. This conscious approach not only protects brands from reputational harm but also helps shift the media landscape towards a more truthful and diverse narrative environment .

One of CAN’s focus areas includes assisting brands in creating adverts that positively represent communities, reflect sustainability values, and counter climate misinformation. Harriet highlighted how advertising has the ability to influence public narratives significantly:

“Businesses can shape cultural conversations through their media placements, and by doing so responsibly, they can help combat misinformation and champion integrity in climate communication” .

 

AI and Ethical Communication: Balancing Optimism with Caution

Harriet maintains a cautiously optimistic view on AI’s potential in climate communication, provided it is used within an ethical framework. While she acknowledges AI’s capacity to optimise energy systems, aid in climate research, and revolutionise industries, she is acutely aware of its risks, especially in advertising. “The unregulated growth of ad tech has already shown us what can go wrong,” Harriet said.

“If we don’t apply lessons from ad tech to AI, we could find ourselves facing similar, if not worse, challenges” .

One of Harriet’s primary concerns is the rapid pace of AI development, which makes it difficult for regulatory frameworks to keep up. She stresses the importance of policymakers and the public being able to understand the technologies in order to make informed decisions. “We need translators—people who can break down complex AI concepts for policymakers and the public, helping them understand both the risks and opportunities,” Harriet shared, stressing that understanding AI is essential to its responsible use .

 

Practical Advice for Businesses Navigating AI’s Ethical Landscape

For businesses exploring how to navigate AI’s ethical challenges, Harriet provides concrete guidance: start with core values. By grounding their AI strategies in brand values, companies can ensure they make decisions that align with their commitment to responsible communication. “Brand values should define how you show up in society. They can help set the ethical standards for how you use AI, where you place ads, and the content you support,” Harriet advised .

She also recommends that companies work with experts to fully understand AI’s capabilities and limitations. CAN’s manifestos include advice for integrating ethical practices in both creative processes and media planning, ensuring brands can make informed choices when employing AI tools. Harriet’s advice is straightforward: “Don’t be afraid to ask questions. If your AI vendor can’t explain their technology in plain terms, that’s a red flag” .

Additionally, Harriet encourages companies to think beyond compliance, urging them to see AI not just as a tool but as a transformative force with potential for societal impact. By embedding ethical checks into procurement processes and risk management plans, brands can safeguard against unintentional harm while remaining competitive in a rapidly advancing technological landscape.

 

A Vision for the Future: Conscious Choices and Collective Action

At the heart of Harriet’s work is the belief that businesses can use their influence to promote positive change. Conscious advertising is not just about avoiding harmful content; it’s also about actively supporting narratives that advance societal good. Harriet envisions a future where advertising budgets are used to support media integrity, where brands take ownership of their role in public discourse.

“Businesses have massive influence and budgets; let’s use that power for good,”

she urges .

As AI continues to evolve, Harriet advocates for a collaborative approach that includes businesses, policymakers, and the public. She hopes CAN’s work will inspire brands to commit to ethical advertising practices that align with the evolving media landscape. Her message is clear: “AI’s potential is immense, but so are its risks. We must ask ourselves what kind of world we want to create with these technologies and take action to ensure they help us get there” .

Through CAN’s pioneering initiatives, Harriet is laying the groundwork for a responsible, transparent, and impactful advertising sector. By helping brands understand their influence and encouraging them to embrace ethical choices, Harriet is fostering a media ecosystem that prioritises truth and integrity—a necessity in the age of AI-driven communication.

As she concluded in the podcast, “It’s about taking a breath, being conscious of the choices we make, and recognising the responsibility that comes with influence. Together, we can reshape the narrative, one ethical decision at a time”

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Unlocking Social Value: Bridging Sustainability and Equity

Episode 45 | 11.10.2024

Unlocking Social Value: Bridging Sustainability and Equity

In this episode, sustainability expert Claudia Dommett-Nöhren, currently the Group Head of ESG at nGAGE Talent, shares insights on integrating social equity into the green economy. She discusses practical strategies for embedding sustainability into business operations, closing the green skills gap, and fostering a just transition.

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As the world grapples with the twin challenges of climate change and social inequality, the call for a more integrated approach to sustainability has never been louder. For leaders like Claudia Dommett-Nöhren, currently Head of ESG at nGAGE Talent, the focus isn’t just on reducing carbon footprints, but also on driving social value and equity across industries. With over 15 years of experience in sustainability, Claudia has played a key role in shaping sustainability strategies that not only address ecological concerns but also ensure that social justice is part of the equation.

During a recent episode of the podcast, Claudia shared her insights on navigating the evolving landscape of sustainability, highlighting the need to bridge the gap between environmental goals and social equity. Throughout the conversation, she delved into her career journey, the lessons she’s learned, and the ways in which businesses can embed sustainability into their core operations.

 

From Animal Rights to Holistic Sustainability

Claudia’s passion for sustainability began at an early age, initially focused on animal rights and later expanding to encompass broader environmental and social issues. “It started at a very young age… getting really into animal rights in the cosmetics industry as someone in primary school,” she explained. This passion later evolved into a more comprehensive interest in environmentalism, leading her to pursue studies in environmental management and policy.

Her career began within the rail industry, where she gained experience in environmental management before moving into more holistic roles in sustainability. She quickly realised that to make a lasting impact, it was crucial to integrate social considerations alongside environmental efforts. Reflecting on this transition, she stated,

“We have this term sustainability… but quite a lot of people, including myself at times, tend to look at environment, social, and economic factors separately rather than integrating them effectively.”

 

Embedding Sustainability into Business Operations

A key theme throughout Claudia’s career has been the importance of embedding sustainability into business processes rather than treating it as a standalone initiative. According to her, sustainability efforts should be woven into the fabric of everyday business operations to ensure they become part of the company’s culture. “You need to embed sustainability into existing business processes… If you come in with a completely new, shiny strategy, it can overwhelm people and face resistance,” she said.

Claudia’s approach often involves linking sustainability initiatives to existing business objectives, which can help companies achieve incremental improvements that ultimately drive significant change. She pointed out that integrating sustainable practices into areas such as procurement, HR and finance can gradually transform a company’s operational model, making it more resilient and efficient.

 

The Green Skills Gap and Just Transition

One of the pressing challenges that Claudia highlighted during the conversation is the growing green skills gap. As industries pivot towards more sustainable practices, the demand for professionals with expertise in green jobs and sustainability is increasing. However, there is a noticeable disconnect between the skills employers are looking for and the qualifications of many job seekers.

“There’s a skills gap that we need to bridge… I see businesses struggling to find the right candidates for sustainability roles, while there are also many people who want to enter the field but can’t land a job,” Claudia observed. To address this, she advocates for a more inclusive approach to hiring and upskilling. This includes creating opportunities for underrepresented groups to enter the sustainability sector and providing training to help current and new employees gain the necessary skills to transition into green roles.

Claudia also emphasised the need for a “just transition,” ensuring that the shift towards a low-carbon economy does not leave anyone behind. She stated, “We can’t have a just transition without being inclusive… Different people bring different strengths, and by including everyone, we can spark new ideas and solutions.” By addressing social equity alongside environmental goals, businesses can foster a more balanced and sustainable future.

 

Overcoming Resistance and Encouraging Innovation

Throughout the discussion, Claudia acknowledged that resistance to change is one of the biggest obstacles when it comes to implementing sustainability initiatives. She highlighted that some business leaders are wary of sustainability efforts disrupting day-to-day operations, and this can hinder progress.

“There’s a fear of sustainability initiatives disrupting day to day business operations,”

she said. To overcome this, Claudia recommends starting with small changes and demonstrating their benefits before scaling up efforts.

Moreover, Claudia believes that fostering a culture of innovation and embracing failure are critical for driving sustainability forward. “We need more courage to fail,” she explained. “Innovation is essential, and businesses must be willing to trial new ideas, even if they don’t always succeed.” This mindset can help companies explore new avenues for reducing their environmental impact and improving social outcomes.

 

Integrating Social Value with Environmental Goals

A significant part of Claudia’s work has involved integrating social value into sustainability strategies. For instance, during her time in the rail industry, she developed social value strategies & frameworks that considered issues such as modern slavery risks, community engagement, inclusivity as well as maximising the wider social impact of rail. She reflected, “The rail industry, being a social good, has a duty to maximise its benefits to society.”

Claudia’s approach to social value extends beyond compliance and reporting. She views it as a crucial element of sustainable business practice that can drive meaningful change when implemented thoughtfully. For businesses to genuinely integrate social value, they need to move beyond tick-box exercises and embrace strategies that consider the long-term social and environmental implications of their actions.

 

The Role of Compliance in Sustainability Efforts

During the conversation, Claudia acknowledged the growing role of compliance and reporting in sustainability. While she recognises its necessity, she expressed concern that an excessive focus on compliance can detract from the time and resources available for driving actual change.

“I spend a significant amount of time on reporting… which means less time dedicated to innovative projects,”

she noted.

Claudia argues that while compliance frameworks are essential for ensuring accountability, they should not overshadow the need for action. She suggests that companies balance compliance with proactive measures that address both environmental risks and social considerations, thereby creating a more comprehensive sustainability strategy.

 

Looking Ahead: The Future of Sustainable Business

Reflecting on the state of sustainability in business today, Claudia expressed a mix of optimism and urgency. She acknowledged that there has been significant progress in raising awareness and integrating sustainability into corporate agendas, but believes that the pace of change is still too slow. “We have many of the tools we need… but we’re not implementing them fast enough,” she remarked.

Claudia’s vision for the future involves businesses recognising that sustainability is not just an add-on or a compliance requirement, but a fundamental aspect of long-term success. “Companies need to wake up to the fact that preserving environmental resources is essential for their survival… You can’t operate on a dead planet,” she asserted. Her call to action is for businesses to embed sustainability into their DNA and view it as a driver of innovation and resilience.

 

Conclusion

Claudia’s insights serve as a powerful reminder that the journey towards a sustainable future requires a holistic approach that integrates environmental goals with social equity. By embedding sustainability into business operations, addressing the green skills gap, and fostering a culture of innovation, companies can drive meaningful change and contribute to a just transition. As Claudia puts it, “Sustainability makes good business sense… It’s about creating efficient practices that ensure long-term viability.”

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How Brands Can Avoid Social Washing: PR’s Role in Driving Authentic Impact

Episode 44 | 22.10.2024

How Brands Can Avoid Social Washing: PR’s Role in Driving Authentic Impact

In this episode, PR and media specialist Katie McIlvenny shares her insights on the role of PR in helping brands navigate social responsibility. Drawing on her experience working with creative agencies, Katie discusses the pitfalls of “social washing” and how brands can authentically support social causes. She emphasises the importance of radical transparency and offers strategies for PR professionals to guide clients in aligning their messaging with meaningful impact.

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In an era where businesses are expected to stand for more than just profit, brands face increasing pressure to align themselves with social causes and demonstrate genuine social responsibility. However, as Katie McIlvenny, a PR and media specialist, explains, this expectation brings its own set of challenges. Drawing on her extensive experience working with creative agencies and third-sector organisations, Katie discusses the fine line between authentic social impact and the pitfalls of “social washing” — a term used to describe brands that superficially associate with social issues for the sake of public image.

Katie’s journey into PR is rooted in her personal experiences and her passion for social causes. Growing up in a politically engaged family, she was exposed to the significance of social issues from an early age. This sense of activism was further fuelled by her own health struggles in her mid-twenties, when she faced a challenging ordeal due to misdiagnosed health problems. Reflecting on this experience during the podcast, Katie shared, “That was one of my earliest points where I got really passionate about how women are mistreated in the medical system and how understaffed the NHS was.” These experiences laid the groundwork for her career in communications, where she has focused on advocating for meaningful change and amplifying underrepresented voices.

 

The Rise of “Social Washing”

Katie highlights “social washing” as a prevalent issue in modern marketing. Similar to greenwashing, where brands exaggerate or misrepresent their environmental efforts, social washing occurs when companies use social causes to appear ethical or socially conscious without taking substantial action.

“It’s essentially jumping on trending social issues, having an opinion on it, or taking a tokenistic stance to drive sales,”

she explains.

Katie’s critique is not limited to small, obscure companies; even major brands are guilty of social washing. She recalled a memorable example involving the Kellogg’s CEO, who suggested that people struggling with the cost of living should eat cereal for dinner. “It was just so tone-deaf,” she remarked, pointing out how the statement came across as exploitative rather than empathetic. In her view, such instances demonstrate a lack of understanding about the real issues affecting consumers and highlight the need for more thoughtful, informed communications strategies.

 

The Role of PR in Authentic Advocacy

For Katie, the solution to social washing lies in radical transparency.

“If brands were to communicate openly, acknowledging that their support for social causes also benefits their business, it would be so much more refreshing,”

she says. This approach involves being upfront about motivations and outcomes, rather than masking them behind superficial campaigns. Katie believes that brands should not shy away from admitting that their involvement in social causes also serves their commercial interests. Instead, they should be transparent about how these initiatives align with their business strategies and benefit all stakeholders.

She suggests that creative agencies and PR consultants can play a pivotal role in guiding brands toward more authentic advocacy. By conducting thorough research and understanding the social issues that matter most to a brand’s audience, agencies can help companies align their messaging with genuine impact. “It’s about adding an extra layer of R&D or research to your offering as a brand consultancy,” she advises. Katie encourages agencies to employ specialists from diverse backgrounds, such as sociology or political science, who can offer valuable insights into social trends and help brands avoid making tone-deaf statements.

 

When to Speak Up – And When to Stay Silent

One of the key themes Katie emphasised is the importance of knowing when to engage with social issues.

“Brands can’t afford to remain silent on certain topics… especially in an era where silence is itself a statement.”

However, she also cautions against brands speaking on issues that are irrelevant or inconsistent with their core values. For example, it would be inappropriate for a company with no environmental expertise to suddenly start commenting on climate change without a well-thought-out strategy.

Katie suggests that brands must be selective about the causes they choose to support and ensure that these align with their values and expertise. “You don’t have to have an opinion on everything,” she says. “But you do need to ensure that when you speak up, it’s coming from an informed and authentic place.” The role of PR professionals, then, is to advise clients on navigating these complex issues and to help them understand the risks and benefits of taking a public stance.

 

The Commercial Benefits of Authenticity

Despite the challenges, Katie firmly believes that brands can achieve both social good and business success. She points to companies like Patagonia as examples of businesses that have managed to balance social responsibility with commercial objectives. Patagonia’s “buy less of our stuff” campaign, which encouraged consumers to be more mindful about their purchases, is a case in point. While the message was counterintuitive from a traditional marketing perspective, it resonated with consumers because it aligned with the company’s long-standing commitment to environmental sustainability.

Katie explains that when brands are transparent about their motives and engage in social causes with integrity, they can foster a virtuous cycle. “If a company supports a social initiative and is open about the business benefits, they create a circular effect,” she says. “This enables the company to grow, reinvest in social causes, and further support the communities they care about.” In her view, radical transparency not only builds consumer trust but also strengthens a brand’s reputation, leading to long-term financial success.

 

Learning from Mistakes

During the conversation, Katie addressed the consequences of getting it wrong. She explained that the damage caused by social washing extends beyond immediate reputational harm; it can lead to financial losses, regulatory scrutiny, and a loss of consumer trust.

“If you speak on a topic that’s completely unrelated to what you stand for as a brand, you’re going to lose trust,”

she warns. Katie also highlighted that regulations are beginning to catch up, with the European Union drafting legislation to address social washing in much the same way as greenwashing.

The key to avoiding these pitfalls, according to Katie, lies in preparation and research. She encourages brands to invest in understanding the social issues that resonate with their audience and to base their communications strategies on solid data. “It might take months, even years of research to understand the impact of a social cause on your consumer base, but it’s worth it,” she asserts.

 

The Way Forward: A Call for Radical Transparency

Katie concludes by calling for a shift towards radical transparency in the commercial world. She argues that if brands were more open about the benefits they receive from supporting social causes, it would not only be refreshing but would also foster a more authentic relationship with consumers. “I’d be more likely to engage with a brand that’s honest about their motivations,” she says. Katie believes that PR professionals should push for a cultural shift within organisations, encouraging brands to embrace vulnerability and acknowledge the commercial benefits of their social initiatives.

For Katie, the future of PR lies in guiding brands to be genuine advocates for social change, rather than mere opportunists.

“It’s about being honest, being prepared, and being willing to invest in understanding what really matters to your audience,”

she summarises. By doing so, brands can avoid the trap of social washing and instead create meaningful social impact while driving sustainable business growth.

In a world where staying silent is no longer an option, Katie’s insights remind us that the most successful brands will be those that communicate with authenticity, act with integrity, and embrace the power of radical transparency.

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