Reinventing Women’s Health: How 28X is Building a New Model for Ethical Tech

Episode 89 | 21.4.2025

Reinventing Women’s Health: How 28X is Building a New Model for Ethical Tech

In an era where digital health solutions are booming, Amber Vodegel is proving that innovation doesn’t have to come at the cost of ethics. Speaking to The Responsible Edge podcast, Amber shared the remarkable story behind her new venture, 28X—a revolutionary period tracking app aiming to transform women’s health by putting data ownership, accessibility, and integrity at its core.

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🎙️ “We need to give women the power back over their own data,” Amber explained, detailing a blueprint for business that challenges the profit-first model dominating today’s tech landscape.

 

The Problem with Current Women’s Health Apps

While millions of women globally rely on period tracking apps, Amber highlighted a worrying reality:

  • Most are VC-backed and male-owned, with data practices that often prioritise profit over privacy.

  • Some leading apps have faced lawsuits for mishandling sensitive user information, eroding trust.

  • Subscription models and employer-based access schemes often exclude the 80% of women who cannot afford expensive plans.

“These models are outdated,” Amber said. “They’re designed for the privileged few, not the many.”

 

28X: A Radically Different Approach 🚀

Rather than replicating the flawed systems already in place, Amber is building 28X around three radical principles:

  • No data collection by default: Users’ information stays on their device unless they choose otherwise.

  • Completely free access: No paywalls, no barriers.

  • Ethical funding model: Self-funded with selective, mission-aligned investors, avoiding the pressures that can lead to unethical compromises.

🦋 The name 28X reflects the 28-day cycle and the X chromosome, with a butterfly symbol representing transformation—a fitting metaphor for Amber’s ambitions.

 

A New Blueprint for Business 📈

Amber’s vision for 28X isn’t just about creating a better health app. It’s about showing the world that responsible, ethical businesses can still scale, still succeed—and still make a real difference.

Key features of her approach:

  • Circular impact: Future profits will be partially reinvested in supporting female founders and climate-focused businesses.

  • Longevity over exit: Rather than building for a quick sale, 28X is designed for long-term ownership, offering dividends rather than structuring for acquisition.

  • Open invitation for collaboration: Amber is actively calling for support from professionals who want to help build an ethical giant in women’s health tech.

“We have enough companies focused purely on extraction. Let’s build something different—something that gives back.”

 

Lessons from an Entrepreneurial Journey

Amber’s own story—rooted in resilience, creativity, and hard-earned lessons—shapes everything she is building today.

Key takeaways she shared:

  • Build around paradox: Entrepreneurship is the constant balancing of highs and lows.

  • Own your resilience: Setbacks are inevitable; persistence is essential.

  • Work when others watch TV: Amber attributes much of her early success to sacrificing downtime to build her ventures in the evenings.

  • Ethics must be baked in early: Retrofitting ethics doesn’t work; they must be foundational.

 

A Call to Action 📣

Amber’s goal is bold: reach 100 million women a month within five years, making 28X the world’s largest, most trusted period tracking platform.

“If we want to change the status quo, we need to think big—and do it ethically,” she said.

💬 Interested in helping? Amber is inviting skilled volunteers, collaborators, and mission-driven supporters to join the movement. “We can build this together,” she urged.

 

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How Smarter Storage Can Unlock the UK’s Clean Energy Future

Episode 88 | 17.4.2025

How Smarter Storage Can Unlock the UK’s Clean Energy Future

In this episode of The Responsible Edge, we welcomed Robin Stopford, CEO of British clean tech innovator PowerVault. With a career that began at Rolls-Royce developing large-scale coal power stations, Robin’s journey has taken a decisive and deliberate turn—from heavy industry to household-level sustainability. His story isn’t just a reflection of professional evolution, but a window into how decentralised energy, behavioural nudges, and pragmatic system thinking can drive systemic change.

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PowerVault is pioneering affordable residential battery storage, helping consumers harness solar energy and store it for use when the grid is under pressure. But behind that simple idea lies something much bigger: a model for reducing grid strain, supporting renewable adoption, and giving consumers more agency without demanding lifestyle sacrifice.

 

🛠️ The Case for a Smarter Grid Starts at Home

“You can start with a simple algorithm. Then, once people are in, you can gamify the system and drive behavioural change.”

PowerVault’s batteries aren’t just about shaving a few quid off your electricity bill. They’re part of a broader ecosystem designed to balance national demand, support heat pump adoption, and help reduce the staggering infrastructure investment needed to hit net zero.

Some key stats Robin referenced:

  • The UK may need to invest £540 billion in grid infrastructure over the next 25 years to meet peak winter demand.

  • Yet every £1 spent on solar and batteries can potentially save £4 in future infrastructure costs.

  • A typical PowerVault user could halve their electricity costs, particularly when paired with solar and a time-of-use tariff.

But it’s not just about the money. This is about redesigning energy systems to fit how people actually live. It’s about nudging, not nagging.

 

💡 Behavioural Economics Meets Renewable Tech

In discussing recent government efforts to promote air source heat pump adoption through “nudge theory,” Robin reflects on the challenges of changing public perception—and why a more interconnected approach might be necessary.

“Telling people to change doesn’t work. If we want better outcomes, the sustainable choice has to become the easier one.”

He explains that while heat pumps represent a key part of the decarbonisation puzzle, they are often misunderstood. Many households still see them as expensive, noisy, or unfamiliar. Meanwhile, installers—long accustomed to gas boilers—can be reluctant to change their ways. The answer? Broader systems thinking and easier decision-making pathways for consumers.

By integrating solar, batteries, insulation, and smarter tariffs, Robin argues we can:

  • Reduce upfront financial risk for households

  • Create better comfort without complexity

  • Drive adoption without reliance on ideology or sacrifice

 

🧠 Engineering a Culture of Curiosity

Despite being a startup, PowerVault actively encourages experimentation across the business. Whether it’s product development, messaging, or user interface design, Robin stresses the importance of learning loops.

“Companies need to experiment to learn. And being small, we get immediate feedback.”

This includes listening to highly engaged customers—often engineers and technologists—who are testing boundaries and pushing the tech to new use cases. PowerVault has begun integrating insights from these ‘power users’ into product evolution, and even exploring ways to create “made-in-Britain” bundles in collaboration with other clean tech innovators.

 

🔍 Fighting Misinformation in the Home Energy Market

One of the subtler but recurring themes in Robin’s conversation was how misinformation—or lack of clear, accessible education—can stifle adoption.

“People read about lithium scooters catching fire and assume it’s the same risk in our managed battery systems. It’s not.”

PowerVault is working hard to simplify its messaging and make the technology feel approachable, safe, and beneficial. The long-term goal? A user experience that feels as natural and invisible as a boiler—except cleaner, cheaper, and smarter.

 

🪄 Magic Wand: Longer-Term Thinking, Please

If Robin could change one thing about the commercial world?

“I’d imbue investors with a 10- or 20-year horizon. Right now, shareholder short-termism is stalling the energy transition.”

He points out that while major oil companies pull back from renewables, some of the world’s largest petrostates are doubling down on clean energy. India’s Adani Group, for instance, is building some of the world’s largest solar farms—despite being one of the biggest coal producers.

The contradiction is clear. The question now is: which model will dominate?

 

🧭 Final Thought

Robin’s story isn’t just about PowerVault. It’s about redesigning systems—financial, technical, behavioural—so that doing the right thing becomes the logical thing. It’s a blend of old-school engineering discipline and 21st-century agility, applied to the challenge of making sustainable living simple.

This episode offers real insight into the granular side of the energy transition. Not the macro targets or the hype—but the reality of what’s happening on British rooftops, behind the meter, and inside the minds of households choosing to step into a smarter energy future.

 

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Fuel for Thought: Why Policy Must Power the Next Phase of Sustainable Aviation

Episode 84 | 3.4.2025

Fuel for Thought: Why Policy Must Power the Next Phase of Sustainable Aviation

On The Responsible Edge podcast, host Charlie Martin sat down with Sophia Haywood, Director of UK & EU Government Affairs, Policy & Sustainability at LanzaJet, to explore how sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) is poised to transform the aviation industry—and what’s holding it back. In a wide-ranging but focused conversation, Sophia unpacks the policy and investment gaps that threaten to stall an industry critical to net zero.

From aviation mandates to ethanol conversion tech, she makes a compelling case for immediate action—and smarter policy—to drive both demand and production of SAF in the UK and Europe.

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✈️ SAF: Big Potential, Bigger Obstacles

At the heart of Sophia’s message is a paradox: the demand for SAF is growing (helped by new UK and EU mandates), but supply—and crucially, domestic production capacity—lags far behind. Without targeted incentives and better policy alignment, she warns, we risk missing the industrial and environmental opportunity of the decade.

“We’ve made some really good headway with creating demand… But there’s quite a few hurdles that we need to overcome in that space to really bring quite large investments at scale to the UK and Europe.”

One of LanzaJet’s solutions? Alcohol-to-jet (AtJ) technology, converting waste-based ethanol into jet fuel—offering a scalable, lower-carbon alternative that’s already been demonstrated in the US and is now being prepared for rollout in the UK (with a flagship facility in Teesside).

 

🔑 Sophia’s 3 Keys to Unlocking SAF Growth


1. Mandates with More Muscle

  • The UK has introduced a SAF mandate: 2% of jet fuel must be sustainable by 2025, rising to ~20% by 2040.

  • Sounds solid, but Sophia argues it’s not ambitious enough:

    “I’d give it somewhere between a seven and eight out of ten.”

Compared to the EU’s more aggressive trajectory, the UK risks being seen as a laggard—particularly as aviation’s share of emissions is set to soar to 27% by 2040, even if other sectors decarbonise.

2. Incentives that De-Risk First Movers

Sophia points out the financial risk of investing in first-of-a-kind SAF facilities is still too high for many players.

  • SAF plants aren’t cheap and traditional investors aren’t keen on the unknown.
  • She calls for:
    • Policy initiatives to support SAF commercialisation, such as ETS Allowances
    • Use of the National Wealth Fund to back domestic SAF production
    • Continued grant funding targeted at scalable technologies
    • Greater simplicity and clarity in policy and permitting

“You’ve got great technology, great feedstock, growing demand—but finance sits behind all of it.”

3. A Clear, Coherent Policy Landscape

Current regulation is, in a word, chaotic.

  • SAF definitions and frameworks vary across the EU

  • Permitting processes are slow, contradictory, and difficult to navigate

“None of it is intentionally complex—but it is, by default, incredibly complicated.”

Sophia calls for simplification, greater alignment across UK and EU policy, and a renewed industrial strategy that puts sustainability front and centre.

 

🚨 Why the Clock’s Ticking

Sophia offers a stark but empowering message: SAF is coming, but if the UK and Europe don’t move faster, they’ll lose out to other global players—especially the US, where IRA tax credits and aggressive funding are helping fuel SAF’s rise.

“If we want to attract all these net zero industries that will provide jobs and growth, we have to act now.”

 

💡 Sophia’s Magic Wand Moment

If given the power to change one thing about the commercial world?

“I’d love to see us just go all-in on SAF.”

That means:

  • Ambitious, long-term mandates

  • Financial tools to de-risk early investments

  • A joined-up industrial vision that frames SAF not as a niche innovation, but as central to the UK and Europe’s net zero future.

 

Final Thoughts 🧭

Sophia’s insight cuts through political noise and technical jargon with clarity and urgency. Her call to action? Invest. Simplify. Lead.

Because this isn’t just about carbon. It’s about jobs, resilience, global competitiveness—and building a future-ready economy.

“Without sustainability, you have no business model.”

Well said.

 

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Generative AI and ESG: Unlocking Potential While Avoiding Greenwashing

Episode 56 | 17.12.2024

Generative AI and ESG: Unlocking Potential While Avoiding Greenwashing

Jonathan Ha, the Founder and CEO of Seneca ESG, shared a thought-provoking perspective on generative AI’s potential to reshape sustainability practices during his recent appearance on The Responsible Edge. Known for his innovative use of technology in environmental, social, and governance (ESG) management, Jonathan dove deep into the transformative promise of generative AI and the critical need for guardrails to prevent unintended consequences like greenwashing.

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AI’s Role in Simplifying ESG Complexity

As the leader of Seneca ESG, a company providing AI-powered sustainability software, Jonathan highlighted the rising complexity of ESG reporting. He noted;

“A lot of these ESG-related tasks are repetitive in nature… Sustainability teams are often just two or three people, and they don’t have the capacity to manage the volume of inquiries coming their way.”

Generative AI, according to Jonathan, has the potential to automate these repetitive processes, freeing up resources and enabling teams to focus on strategic innovation.

Seneca ESG’s software already leverages AI for tasks like emission tracking and reporting compliance. “We’ve identified thousands of hours wasted on manual data management,” he explained. “Our tools reduce that burden, enabling organisations to focus on continuous improvement, not just compliance.”

The Greenwashing Dilemma

However, Jonathan also expressed caution about the risks of generative AI. He warned;

“If not used properly, generative AI could exacerbate greenwashing rather than fix it. For companies unsure of how to characterise their sustainability practices, relying on AI to ‘write something for them’ could lead to misleading claims.”

This challenge, he argued, underscores the need for robust guardrails. Seneca ESG’s AI solutions, for instance, incorporate user feedback to refine how they assist organisations, ensuring that outputs remain accurate and responsible.

Jonathan’s stance aligned closely with the values of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, whose signatories must adhere to strict standards around the use of generative AI in content production.

Balancing Compliance with Creativity

Jonathan emphasised that the true potential of generative AI lies in its ability to shift the balance within sustainability teams. “With the compliance and reporting side becoming so large, sustainability teams have less time to focus on innovation and problem-solving,” he said.

“Generative AI, when used responsibly, can free up time for these creative pursuits.”

This dual focus on compliance and creativity is central to Seneca ESG’s mission. The company doesn’t just help organisations meet regulatory requirements but also identifies opportunities for long-term improvement. “It’s not just about ticking boxes—it’s about becoming better,” Jonathan stressed.

A Vision for the Future

When asked about the broader implications of AI for corporate behaviour, Jonathan shared a visionary perspective. “If I had a magic wand,” he mused;

“I’d create a direct connection between corporate behaviour and societal happiness. Sustainability, security, and freedom are key components of this happiness.”

Jonathan’s ambition for Seneca ESG mirrors this vision. By providing tools that enable both compliance and innovation, he aims to help organisations not only meet today’s challenges but also position themselves as leaders in building a sustainable future.

The Takeaway

Jonathan’s insights remind us that while generative AI offers tremendous potential for ESG, its implementation must be approached with caution and responsibility. For organisations looking to harness its power, the focus must remain on fostering transparency, enhancing sustainability practices, and avoiding the pitfalls of greenwashing. As Jonathan concluded;

“The ultimate goal is not just compliance—it’s continuous improvement. That’s where the real impact lies.”

His approach offers a roadmap for businesses seeking to navigate the evolving intersection of technology and sustainability.

 

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Driving Sustainability Through Open Source Education

Episode 43 | 17.10.2024

Driving Sustainability Through Open Source Education

In this episode, Chris Brookman, founder of Back to Earth and the open-source education platform Fibres Academy, explores how open-source education can support sustainable practices in the construction industry. He discusses his experience working with natural building materials and highlights the importance of sharing knowledge to drive corporate responsibility and reduce the environmental impact of construction.

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Sustainability has become a key focus across industries, and the construction sector is no exception. As the world grapples with the effects of climate change, businesses must reconsider their environmental impact. This is where corporate responsibility becomes crucial, particularly in industries like construction that have historically contributed heavily to environmental degradation. In a recent episode of the podcast, Chris Brookman, founder of Back to Earth, shared his thoughts on how open-source education can drive sustainable construction practices and why sharing knowledge is essential to fostering change.

Chris, who has been working with sustainable building materials for over 28 years, provides insights into his journey and the challenges and opportunities in promoting sustainability within the construction sector. His experience demonstrates that sustainability goes beyond using eco-friendly products—it’s about creating a culture of openness, collaboration, and education to support environmentally responsible practices.

 

From Chemistry to Sustainable Construction

Chris’s path into the construction industry was anything but conventional. Having studied chemistry at university, his career began with an unexpected project—rebuilding his father’s cob barn, a structure made from a traditional building material composed of earth, clay, straw, and water. What started as a summer job turned into a lifelong passion for natural building materials.

“I mean, I’ve always had an interest in the environment, even as a kid,” Chris explains. “But finishing university, I did a fairly tangential step and went from a chemistry degree straight into cob building…and absolutely loved it.”

This hands-on experience not only ignited his love for traditional construction methods but also led him to explore the potential of modern sustainable building materials. Chris’s chemistry background provided a unique perspective, allowing him to understand the properties of these materials in greater depth. “That got me into building,” he says, “and I kind of worked through it and picked up all the information that everyone else was talking about.”

 

The Role of Natural Materials in Sustainable Construction

As founder of Back to Earth, Chris has spent decades promoting the use of natural building materials sourced from across Europe. His company focuses on providing low-impact, high-performance materials that are not only better for the environment but also offer superior long-term performance. Over time, Back to Earth has become known for its expertise in sustainable construction, with Chris leading the way in educating builders, architects, and homeowners about the benefits of natural materials.

“We guide our clients through the process of understanding, specifying, and sourcing low-impact, high-performance materials for their sustainable building projects,”

Chris explains in the podcast. This emphasis on education is crucial because many builders and architects are unfamiliar with these materials, having relied for so long on conventional products.

One of the most significant challenges Chris highlights is the disconnect between traditional and sustainable building practices. “You know, I built my skills and experience of construction generally, but towards the end of that period, I began to want to use my degree a bit more… delving into the nitty-gritty of building materials, finding out how they really work, not how people think they work,” he says. His curiosity and commitment to better understanding the materials have helped Back to Earth offer innovative solutions that challenge conventional approaches to construction.

 

Open-Source Education: Breaking Down Barriers

A key theme throughout the conversation is the importance of open-source education in the construction industry. Chris believes that making information widely available is essential for encouraging the use of sustainable materials and practices. He draws parallels between the construction sector and the open-source movement in software, where shared knowledge fosters innovation and collaboration.

“I encourage anyone to make information freely available because it opens up the whole market to everybody,”

Chris says. He explains how manufacturers in the building industry are often reluctant to share information, fearing that doing so will give away competitive advantages. However, Chris argues that this secrecy hinders progress and ultimately limits the industry’s ability to innovate.

“It’s a kind of win-win thing to go open-source,” he continues. “Having all of that information aggregated across the whole market grows the market, and your share of that market will only become bigger, the same as everyone else’s.”

At Back to Earth, Chris has been practising this philosophy for years, making detailed blogs and guides available to help others understand the complexities of sustainable construction. More recently, he launched Fibres Academy, an open-source platform designed to educate people about the benefits and uses of wood-fibre insulation. The platform aims to make technical knowledge accessible to a wider audience, helping builders, architects, and homeowners make informed choices.

Fibres Academy was about regurgitating as much as possible out of my mind onto a platform that other people could access,”

he explains. This project embodies Chris’s commitment to sharing knowledge freely to support a broader movement towards sustainable construction.

 

Corporate Responsibility in Action

Chris is also a firm believer in the role of corporate responsibility in driving change. He argues that businesses, particularly in the construction industry, have a responsibility to adopt sustainable practices and advocate for higher standards across the sector. For Chris, corporate responsibility goes hand in hand with open-source education—companies need to be transparent about their impact and share the knowledge and tools necessary to foster widespread change.

“The more we can show people how to use materials and how best to use them, the more we can help them achieve their goals while reducing their environmental impact,” he says. By educating their clients and sharing their expertise, Back to Earth helps people make better choices that benefit both the planet and the bottom line.

 

The Future of Sustainable Construction

Looking to the future, Chris remains optimistic. He sees a growing interest in sustainable construction, particularly among younger generations. “In the last 10 years, the interest in natural materials has grown enormously,” he says. “We no longer have to root out projects and try to encourage people to use them. People are coming to us with the idea that they want to save energy and reduce their impact on the environment.”

Chris believes that this shift in public consciousness, combined with the open-source sharing of knowledge, will help drive the construction industry towards more sustainable practices. However, he acknowledges that there is still much work to be done, particularly in overcoming resistance from older generations and larger corporations that are more focused on profit than sustainability.

“My generation has been pretty pants on it,” Chris admits. “We’ve been talking about climate change for 30 years, and yes, stuff is happening, but in the general public, it’s still all about, ‘Oh, it’s going to be too expensive.’”

He is hopeful, however, that younger generations will push for change. “You can really see in younger people the seriousness that they take it and the actual desire to do something about it.”

 

Conclusion

Chris’s insights highlight the importance of knowledge-sharing and corporate responsibility in promoting sustainability within the construction industry. By embracing open-source education and making sustainable practices more accessible, companies can drive meaningful change and help reduce the environmental impact of construction.

As the conversation with Chris demonstrates, building a sustainable future requires collaboration, transparency, and a commitment to continuous learning. Whether through platforms like Fibres Academy or through corporate advocacy, the construction industry has an opportunity to play a significant role in combating climate change. By making information freely available and encouraging responsible practices, businesses can help create a more sustainable, resilient built environment for generations to come.

 

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From Compliance to Storytelling: Simplifying ESG for Real Impact

Episode 38 | 25.09.2024

From Compliance to Storytelling: Simplifying ESG for Real Impact

In this episode, we sit down with Steve John, a seasoned ESG and Corporate Social Responsibility leader, currently serving as ESG Manager at newcleo. Steve shares his insights on the evolving role of ESG in industries like oil, gas, and nuclear, emphasising the balance between idealism and pragmatism. He discusses the importance of simplifying ESG communication and how businesses can move from just meeting regulations to driving real impact.

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In today’s corporate world, the focus on Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) principles has become increasingly significant, shaping strategies in industries from finance to heavy industry. But as the ESG movement grows, so does the complexity of its communication and implementation. Steve John, a seasoned ESG and Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) leader with over 20 years of experience in industries such as oil, gas, nuclear, and mining, offers a unique perspective on how to strike the perfect balance between idealism and pragmatism in the ESG space.

Currently serving as ESG Manager at newcleo, an innovative nuclear energy company, Steve has worked in various sectors where ESG isn’t always an easy fit. His experience spans the globe, with projects in diverse locations including the Kurdistan region of Iraq and the Indian Himalayas. In a recent podcast episode, Steve shared his insights into the evolving role of ESG, highlighting the importance of clear communication, practical strategies, and maintaining a moral compass in corporate sustainability.

 

From Ecology to ESG

Steve’s journey into the world of ESG began in a somewhat unexpected way. After studying ecology at university, he admits, “I wasn’t really sure what to do with my life” . His thesis focused on oil pollution in the Shetland Isles, a project he describes as a “desk-based study” that laid the groundwork for his interest in corporate responsibility.

“What companies say versus what they do has always intrigued me,”

he explains, noting how this early fascination with accountability became a central theme throughout his career .

After university, Steve joined a small environmental consultancy, producing environmental reports for clients in the financial services and water industries. It was here that his path began to take shape, as his firm transitioned from an environmental consultancy to a CSR consultancy. Reflecting on this pivotal moment, he recalls how the decision to rebrand the company as a CSR consultancy took just “30 seconds” but marked a major shift in his career .

This move into the world of CSR led Steve to work closely with sustainability analysts and socially responsible investment teams, who examined sustainability through a financial lens. This experience was formative, as he realised the power of combining environmental and social principles with corporate and financial strategies. As Steve puts it, “There was something about it that sparked my fire” .

 

Pragmatism in ESG: Simplifying Communication

One of the key themes Steve emphasises throughout the podcast is the need for pragmatism in ESG, especially when it comes to communication. ESG, as a concept, can be complex, and many companies struggle to balance the technical jargon of environmental data with the need to inspire action.

“There’s a tendency to use complicated language,”

Steve notes. He argues that while idealism is important for driving innovation and passion, clarity and simplicity are equally essential to ensure everyone in an organisation understands and embraces ESG principles .

Steve stresses that pragmatic communication is crucial for making ESG accessible, particularly in industries like oil, gas, and nuclear, where the technical aspects can easily overwhelm non-experts. “We need passionate idealists to drive the vision, but we also need practical communicators to make ESG accessible and relatable to everyone—from board members to field workers,” he explains .

This focus on clear communication is something Steve takes seriously in his current role at newcleo. As a growing company in a complex sector, newcleo faces significant challenges in aligning its nuclear energy goals with sustainability principles. However, Steve is determined to ensure that the company’s ESG message remains clear and concise. “We’re still building our culture as we grow, and ESG is going to play a big part in that culture development,” he says .

 

From Compliance to Storytelling

Another aspect of ESG that Steve highlights is the tension between compliance and impact. Many companies see ESG primarily as a compliance exercise, focused on ticking boxes and meeting regulatory requirements. However, Steve believes that this approach misses the bigger picture. “There’s always a need for compliance,” he acknowledges, but adds that

“the real challenge is in moving beyond compliance and using storytelling to engage people” .

According to Steve, storytelling plays a critical role in ESG, particularly when it comes to inspiring change within organisations. He argues that data and reporting are essential, but they must be complemented by narratives that bring the numbers to life. By framing ESG goals in a way that resonates with people on a personal level, companies can drive deeper engagement and foster a sense of purpose among employees and stakeholders.

Steve’s own career is a testament to the power of storytelling. Whether he’s working on the ground in remote locations or presenting at the boardroom level, he has always prioritised communication that connects with people. “It’s about making better choices,” he says, “whether it’s about how you travel to work or what suppliers you choose to partner with” . For Steve, this focus on everyday decisions is key to making ESG an integral part of a company’s culture, rather than just another regulatory burden.

 

Plugging Into Simplicity

During the conversation, Charlie, the host and co-founder of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, brings up the issue of greenwashing and the difficulty many companies face in making genuine, transparent claims about their sustainability efforts. As ESG becomes more embedded in corporate strategy, the risk of vague or exaggerated environmental claims increases, which can lead to confusion among stakeholders and, ultimately, mistrust.

Steve agrees with this challenge, noting that, “There’s a tendency to use complicated language,” which makes it harder for companies to convey their environmental impact clearly . He emphasises the importance of simplicity in ESG communication, and how essential it is for organisations to define their terms and avoid greenwashing.

This is where The Anti-Greenwash Charter comes in. Developed as a response to the growing concerns around misleading environmental claims, the charter offers a framework to ensure that companies provide clear, transparent, and verifiable information about their sustainability practices. As Charlie explains,

The Charter encourages companies to define key environmental terms and avoid misleading language, ensuring that their green claims are backed up with real evidence.”

Steve fully supports this approach, seeing it as an essential tool for ensuring ESG communication is both clear and credible. “It’s about making ESG language simple and relatable,” he says. “When companies define their terms and provide third-party verification for their claims, it becomes easier for stakeholders—whether employees, customers, or regulators—to understand exactly what they’re saying and trust that the claims are genuine” .

 

ESG in Heavy Industry: A Unique Perspective

One of the most unique aspects of Steve’s career is his extensive experience in industries that are often viewed as ESG laggards, such as oil, gas, and nuclear. However, Steve sees these sectors as crucial players in the sustainability movement.

“There’s a misconception that industries like oil and gas can’t contribute to ESG goals,”

he says, “but what I’ve learned is that some of the best innovations in decarbonisation come from these sectors. It’s all about working with what exists rather than fighting against it” .

Steve’s pragmatic approach has led him to work closely with engineers and technical teams, ensuring that ESG principles are not just theoretical but are embedded in the day-to-day operations of these industries. “I’ve had more success in heavy industry than in any other sector,” he reflects, noting that the practical nature of these industries lends itself well to the kind of hands-on, results-driven approach that ESG requires .

His current work at newcleo, which focuses on developing small modular reactors and recycling nuclear fuel, is a perfect example of how heavy industry can lead the way in sustainable innovation. “We’re a young company, but our mission is clear: to innovate the nuclear industry and play a key role in climate change mitigation,” Steve explains. For him, nuclear energy represents a critical piece of the puzzle when it comes to decarbonisation, and he is excited to be at the forefront of this transformation .

 

The Moral Imperative of ESG

Beyond the technical and strategic aspects of ESG, Steve also touches on the moral dimensions of his work. “At the end of the day, it’s about doing the right thing,” he says. While ESG is often framed in terms of risk management and compliance, Steve believes that there is a deeper ethical responsibility that underpins the entire movement .

This sense of moral purpose has been a guiding force throughout Steve’s career, from his early days in environmental consultancy to his current role at newcleo. Whether he’s working on community engagement projects in Kurdistan or helping to shape the ESG strategy of a nuclear start-up, Steve is driven by a desire to make a positive impact on the world. “I want to be able to look back at my career and point to tangible examples of where I’ve made a difference,” he says .

 

Conclusion

Steve John’s insights into the evolving world of ESG offer a refreshing perspective on how to balance idealism with pragmatism. His emphasis on clear communication, practical strategies, and the power of storytelling provides valuable lessons for anyone looking to navigate the complexities of ESG in today’s business world. As he continues to lead the ESG charge at newcleo, Steve’s unique blend of experience, passion, and pragmatism is helping to shape the future of responsible investment and sustainable business practices.

For Steve, the key to ESG success lies in making better choices—whether it’s simplifying the language of sustainability, leveraging innovations in heavy industry, or maintaining a moral compass in corporate decision-making. As he puts it,

“ESG is ultimately about doing the right thing, even when it’s difficult”.

And in a world where businesses are increasingly held accountable for their environmental and social impact, that simple philosophy may be more important than ever.

 

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